(07-07-2021, 07:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: DeRozan was the subject of the Locked on Mav's Podcast yesterday.  I think everyone has come to the same conclusion...he's an excellent shot creator for himself and others with size.  All of those things are needed.  However, the lack of a three and the poor D are probably killers in the playoffs.  I'd put Dinwiddie in the same category.  Someone else who can't hit a three, but does play good D is Kelly Oubre Jr.  I thought he deserved a little mention here.

When I read the current rumors, I thought they were simply a regurgitation of the Jake Fisher stuff from late February.  I don't doubt that Dallas was looking for a package and expiring Oubre might have been a component.  But, I've kind of ignored the current version of that rumor as I doubt this is the summer of Kelly Oubre.  I'm not sure a THJ for Oubre swap helps you.  But, what if he was the secondary move?  What if getting him was in addition to Collins or Ball or (fill in your favorite $20+ million player)?  Would an athletic defender who is a poor three point shooter be of interest?  He's not a shot creator, but he's not a statue either.  

If you want to make a positive case for Oubre, I think you have to ignore the stint in Golden State.  That didn't work at all.  But he did some interesting things in Phoenix (man that team has changed in a year).  He was an elite shooter from 16' to the 3 point line.  DeRozan has been .429 from this area his three years in SA.  Oubre was .534 his two years in Phoenix.  They are similarly good 0-3 feet and Oubre is the better 3 point shooter (faint praise).  Oubre is terrible 3-10 and 10-16 which is where any comparison to DeRozan ends.  Oubre is actually a good player to have on your fantasy team.  The last year in Phoenix he was 93rd percentile in scoring, 88th percentile in rebounding, 92nd in steals and 82nd in blocks for his position.  Something that surprised me is he was in the 94th percentile as the PnR ball handler (small sample size alert, but interesting nonetheless).  And he can create some in ISO...not elite, some.  In a lineup with KP, Luka and two other shooters, he'd have a great opportunity to attack the basket.

Defensively, there is a level of athleticism that doesn't currently exist on the Mav's.  I suspect we are going to spend at least a little time blitzing the PnR under Kidd.  Oubre can play with force whether on the ball or helping away from the ball.  He can cover a lot of ground when KP needs help.  Like Dorian, he's probably a better help guy than on the ball.  But he has the quicks to take PG's on the switch and the size to handle most 4's in the post.  If you had DFS, Oubre, Luka and say Ball in addition to a non-KP center, you could switch everywhere.  Adding long switchable athletes like Oubre and Ball would be a way of helping if KP's defensive issues persist.

He's a Nike guy.  I'll repeat that this has to be a secondary move if it is a move at all.  Unlike deals sending JRich to Utah, I think GS would actually have some interest in one year of Richardson to be a wing defender off the bench.  You can get to $16.7mm on a deal for Oubre with JRich as the outgoing.  But, you do that deal after spending the $23mm you have left (without THJ and WCS, but with opted in JRich) on a bigger fish.  Move Burke somewhere and you are in the conversation for that main target being any of the guards we've discussed...Conley, Lowry, Powell, Ball.  If JRich opts out, this actually becomes harder as you are now splitting space between Oubre and someone else and lose the $5mm of leverage you get from including Richardson in the deal.  I don't love it, but if you told me we got any of those guards (especially the younger ones) and 26 year old Oubre, I'd be pretty happy.  I mean, I'm happy with 30+ Conley and Batum, so why wouldn't I be happy with a younger duo like Powell/Oubre or Ball/Oubre.

(07-07-2021, 05:27 AM)Branduil Wrote: People aren't doubting DDR can score, he can. But there are two major issues which would be amplified with the Mavs:


1. What happens during the 90% of the time when Luka has the ball? If DDR is standing on the perimeter his man will ignore him and come double Luka. If DDR goes inside then he'll be crowding the lane if Luka tries to drive. You can't compare him to Booker or CP3 because even though they're good mid-range shooters, they can ALSO hit threes.

2. DDR is one of the worst defenders in the league. He would compound our already serious issues on that end, we'd be playing 2 guys who can't guard anyone on the perimeter, and Luka isn't great there either.

There are better options who are better fits out there.

(07-07-2021, 01:30 PM)cow Wrote: That much money for Oubre would be a mistake.  I just don't think he's ever going to live up to the early potential we saw in Washington.

(07-07-2021, 01:32 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'd be so incredibly mad if the Mavs threw 20+ million at Kelly Oubre.

(07-07-2021, 01:40 PM)mvossman Wrote: Hell I would be pissed if the spent more than MLE on him.  He would be Wright/JRich 3.0.

(07-07-2021, 01:32 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'd be so incredibly mad if the Mavs threw 20+ million at Kelly Oubre.

(07-07-2021, 01:12 PM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1412834617758044160?s=21

(07-07-2021, 03:13 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: There is apparently a lot of momentum in the building towards a Conley + Oubre free agency, after the inevitable Kawhi strikeout. Utah is thirsty for some perimeter defenders and J-Rich + Kleber for Conley fits (Utah expects to let Niang walk as well). It will not be $20M per for Oubre.

(07-07-2021, 03:13 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: There is apparently a lot of momentum in the building towards a Conley + Oubre free agency

(07-07-2021, 03:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: VP do you have some inside sources? Are you apart of Cubes new MBT?

(07-07-2021, 03:43 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Plan B Conley & Oubre (Conley has a lot of fans, especially Dirk; Luka and Oubre know each other from BDA, Nico has a relationship from Nike)

(07-07-2021, 03:43 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Pretty good source told me..

Plan A Kawhi (they’re trying but unlikely)
Plan B Conley & Oubre (Conley has a lot of fans, especially Dirk; Luka and Oubre know each other from BDA, Nico has a relationship from Nike)

Thinks Collins signs a max offer sheet with the Spurs

(07-07-2021, 03:54 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Also, he has been passed around a little.   Washington traded him for very little return.   He popped a little in PHX but there were reports they were looking to move him and not extend.   He was a part of the Chris Paul trade, so you can't ding him for this.  But apparently PHX decided he would not be in their long term plans.   Then last year in GS was very disappointing.   He should have played well in that system as GS really needed more scoring and that offense gets you a lot of open looks.   

So sure he could find the right place at the right time and really flourish, but I would prefer a different direction.  And with 3 teams in the last 3ish years and up and down production, there is no way he is getting 20 million.

(07-07-2021, 04:23 PM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/1412879352157642755?s=21

(07-07-2021, 04:27 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Oubre on paper fills a lot of needs that we're looking for. He can score in bunches. He's a switchable forward. He can defend at times. He's young. Despite all of that there is lots of evidence that Oubre isn't a winning player.