(07-02-2021, 08:17 PM)cow Wrote: You need more than just "stars".  Of your list, Ball is the only attractive option but I think someone (New York) is going to break the bank for him and regret it soon after.  There is no future in DeRozan, Conley or Lowry and we aren't close enough to be a contender.  Those types of players will just help us spin our tires in the mud.  I far prefer going for a series of less expensive guys with upside than a guy on the backside of his career.

(07-02-2021, 09:04 PM)mvossman Wrote: To be clear, I am predicting Mavs thinking, not what I would necessarily recommend.  However, if Ball and Collins are not available, and we don't want one of the old point guards, and we are not trading KP, what is the move?  I don't see LA letting THT go without extreme overpay, and I don't think Holmes makes sense with KP (neither are a 4 on defense).

Ball would be my first choice, and I am for trading KP if we can do something reasonable, but a Conley/Batum offseason (or something similar) would not be the end of the world.  That would be a much better team, and the contract would be at most 3 years.  I would greatly prefer that to running it back with a JRich trade and an MLE pickup.

(07-02-2021, 09:18 PM)cow Wrote: I doubt Collins is going to be available.  You could probably overpay Ball but if New York matches, my guess is that he would go there.  And I love Ball.  I had him on my reclamation project which he screwed up by playing so well this year.  

Why is Conley going to leave Utah though?  He'll get paid there and have a chance at a championship.  For the money I'd offer Batum, he'd just stay a Clipper.  

I like THT and all but I'm not saying that's who we should get, but rather the type of player we should be looking to get.  Someone with upside, someone that can become an asset that is more than an expiring contract.  

Of the old guys that are realistically obtainable, DeRozan is probably my favorite.  Actually, Dwight Howard is my favorite as you could get him at a budget price if you give him a few years and that would be a quality rotational center.  

This offseason is a success if they can trade KP and get reasonable value back.  We aren't going to win a championship next year and the team might need to take a step backwards to move forward.  

I like the idea of working with the Kings.  They probably want to keep Holmes but want to keep some cap space.  Maybe there is a "well scratch your back if you scratch ours deal that could be made.  Can we figure out a way for another reclamation project in Bagley.  Is Buddy finally available?

And talking about taking a step backwards, I think talking to New York about Jalen makes a lot of sense.  Can we reclaim our 2023 1st?  Maybe they'd be interested in a Robinson swap.  

There are a ton of options out there.  I just want a little bit of a youth movement.  Let's add the veteran when that foundation has hardened a bit.

Hard to predict what the Mavs will do since the MBT is mostly new now.

(07-02-2021, 09:31 PM)mvossman Wrote: Kings can't keep Holmes and they can't S&T him because they don't have bird rights.

(07-02-2021, 11:08 PM)Branduil Wrote: Cap space has extremely limited value. Teams will always prefer getting good players.

(07-02-2021, 11:08 PM)Branduil Wrote: Fill this team with talent.

(07-03-2021, 01:00 AM)Branduil Wrote: In terms of smaller "non-star" moves, what do you think about Brunson+JRich for THT?

(07-03-2021, 03:28 AM)cow Wrote: THT is an upside play.  He handles well, has shown playmaking and defensive flashes, and uses his big frame to absorb contact and finish around the rim.  I think he'll easily eclipse what he'd garner in a S&T.  I don't think he popped as much as some were expecting in his sophomore campaign.  I used to think it would take 15+ a year to pry him from the Lakers, but I'm starting to think that number might be in the 12-13 range.  Still a hefty price tag for someone you are betting will develop.  He's still only 20.  6'4" with a 7'1" wingspan.  

(07-03-2021, 08:48 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: One thing about the threat to sign THT to a $20mm offer is you might be able to talk LA into taking back JRich rather than matching the offer.   

(07-03-2021, 09:43 AM)F Gump Wrote: This is not doable. Depending on the particulars you have in mind, it either violates signing rules, cap rules, Arenas rules, or trade rules, but in any event it's not an option.

If you want to offer him any deal bigger than the Early Bird limits, you have to clear cap room, sign him to an offer sheet, and hope for the best. The max EB would be about 4 yrs 45M.

(07-02-2021, 04:48 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I want PG/SG Jaden Springer out of this draft.

I don´t get why he´s ranked between #18 and #22 on most boards. I think after the top 5, what I have seen from the rest, I´d rank him and Sengun as the next best talent.

18 years old, high motor, great footwork and lateral movement on defense. Jumpshot mechanics look good to me. He has a 3pt shot and a midrange game.

Maybe it´s that he lacks in PG skills and his projected size for a SG might be on the small side, 6´4 with 6´6 wingspan, but we have a 6´8 PG, so defensively we´d stick him to the opposing PG anyway. His size is less important to us than his ability to stay in front of them.




I´d sell Brunson´s left kidney to the Knicks for #19 and #21 to make it happen.

Other options to get a pick in that range could include Kuzma + 22nd pick for Kleber. Later send Kuzma to the Bulls for Markkanen.

If we decide to trade Porzingis, I´d try to get the 9th (from Kings), 10th (from Pelicans) 11th (from Hornets) or 13th (from Pacers). Though I´m not sure Sengun lasts that long.

Trades as usual for Porzingis:

Bledsoe + Adams + 10th pick for Porzingis + 22nd pick.

Roster after the overhaul

Doncic/Bledsoe/Terry
THJ/Springer(19th pick)/Green
DFS/Richardson/Bey
Markkanen/Powell/Greg Brown (22nd pick)

Adams/Room MLE/Sengun (10th pick)

Starting salaries for Markkanen and THJ would have to be around $16-17M and I lost Burke along the way

Think that´s a healthy mix of veterans and youth with the necessary flexibility to make a major trade move.

(07-03-2021, 08:48 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: There are also things working against this.  If he doesn't develop an outside shot, is this just another Wright/JRich swing with better force both defensively and at the rim?  If you do go the offer sheet route, you've bet your entire summer on this one thing.  What is Plan B if LA matches?  You are dealing with Rich Paul here.  Why would he help the Mav's to the detriment of the King?  I'm still with Cow conceptually, but if I'm doing this, I want it to be a trade as soon as free agency opens.  But, therein lies another issue.  If this is a trade, then it opens the door to 28 other teams, some of whom can come up with a better packages.  I see the upside and the fit on the court.  Making this work as a transaction is more problematic.