(06-30-2021, 12:10 PM)mvossman Wrote: No offense, but this seems like a losers mentality.  We are not the Hornets or the Wizards.  This is a big market team with a top 5 player who has not even hit his prime yet.  We have struggled in the past to bring in big free agents, and it appears we brought in a new regime at least in part to address that problem.  We did not reload our entire power structure so we could bring in Lauren freaking Markkanen.

(06-30-2021, 10:42 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Robinson is not a true defensive stalwart. His career ORTG and DRTG are 140/106.  He's had a positive DBPM every year. Same with DWS. 

Led the league in BLK% in his rookie year, was 2nd in the league his sophomore year, was 9th in the league this down year. He's averaged close to 2bpg and 1 steal per game in less than 30mpg. Dude is a defensive talent and an incredible lob finisher.

I see a lot of similarities in JC and Lauri. Both are very young (Lauri is 23, Collins is 24), both have an outside shot, both can take it inside when they have to. Collins is a much better interior player, while Lauri is a much better outside shooter. 

If you still hate the comparison then call Lauri a younger version of Gallinari.

(06-30-2021, 12:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: I don't want to be another Portland.

(06-30-2021, 12:10 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Who is this “we” and when did that “we” come to an established opinion that should be so easily thrown out for public consumption?

(06-30-2021, 12:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Very true. 

Some issues are small annoyances. Others are crippling, catastrophic mountains of terror and doom.

(06-30-2021, 12:45 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Is it really up for debate? We all just watched a 25 year old with issues in both knees who got substantially less mobile and lost his ability to defend the rim. Crazy season coming off a short offseason or not... He isn't going to miraculously re-gain athleticism.  Fact is, he could be significantly worse defensively at 27,28 than he was last year. 

That's not to say he cant still be an effective NBA player, especially offensively but he was just essentially played off the court in the playoffs (Carlisle went zone to avoid it). Does the new regime want to have a 30+ cap hit on a player who can be played off the court? Time will tell

(06-30-2021, 12:48 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: OF COURSE IT IS! That's what not established means. I'm also not going to go into it yet another time, there's no need to rehash this disagreement over and over and over again.

(06-30-2021, 12:51 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Understood. Betting on KP 2.0. I appreciate the optimism.

(06-30-2021, 12:34 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Of course not. If we were the Wizards, we´d have two star players and more than one exciting young prospect.

But who do you suggest we sign in FA instead, since Markkanen is not good enough?

(06-30-2021, 12:51 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Understood. Betting on KP 2.0. I appreciate the optimism.

(06-30-2021, 12:57 PM)omahen Wrote: If KP is beyond salvation and WE know it than also all teams know it and only worse contracts will be offered. So good luck moving him without spending the remaining assets we have. His contract will be a smaller burden with every year passing. 

As for being played of the floor in the playoffs. Reigning defensive MVP had basically same effect in the series against Clippers as KP.

(06-30-2021, 12:45 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Is it really up for debate? We all just watched a 25 year old with issues in both knees who got substantially less mobile and lost his ability to defend the rim. Crazy season coming off a short offseason or not... He isn't going to miraculously re-gain athleticism.  Fact is, he could be significantly worse defensively at 27,28 than he was last year. 

That's not to say he cant still be an effective NBA player, especially offensively but he was just essentially played off the court in the playoffs (Carlisle went zone to avoid it). Does the new regime want to have a 30+ cap hit on a player who can be played off the court? Time will tell

(06-30-2021, 01:13 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Miami can easily decline the options on Iggy and Dragic to sign Hardaway into cap space. No need for them to execute a sign-and-trade and surrender an asset like Precious.

(06-30-2021, 04:55 PM)omahen Wrote: How about Sacramento as a trade partner? They could really use more cap space to resign Holmes. As it is they have some 9 mil of cap space available and they need at least 6 mil to get into serious Holmes conversation. They could dump Wright to someone but I doubt they traded for him to dump him. Fox and Haliburton are their guards of the future so Hield is somehow expendable. Than there is Bagley who makes little sense to keep if they commit to Holmes. Both Hield and Bagley are interesting for me for the right price in the right combination with other moves.

From Dallas perspective I would like to spend roughly 10 mil of cap space so that remains enough for a good FA target (not counting JRich). Than there is another sneaky angle. If Holmes resigns with Sacramento, Charlotte can convince themselves that Harrell or Drummond are cornerstone centers on a contender or look for a trade partner. 

Options I would look into it:
1. Bagley into our cap space for a second rounder or so. 

Mavs have roughly 22 mil of cap space left, perhaps enough for "DeRozan type" (or you dump Burke for more). We get a year to see if Bagley can show why he was picked before Luka. I don't really think Sacramento is willing to give up Bagley that easy.

2. Kleber and Burke for Hield
Mavs keep 20+ mil of cap space, Sac gets enough to keep Holmes and a floor stretching defense playing wing. I guess Collins is out of reach to cover the PF hole but Hield-Luka-Conley or Lowry guard/wing rotation would be interesting. DFS and rMLE (Tucker?, Bjelica?, Lyles?) would have to cover the hole at PF.

3. In option 3 Sacramento gives up on Holmes and trades Hield and Bagley for KP. Mavs keep 34 mil of cap space to bring in two wing defenders (I would give Bagley a full time shot at center for half a season). Lets say Conley and Theis/OPJ/Burks.