(06-30-2021, 02:04 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Here's my latest late night proposal trying to put together some of the recent trade ideas:

CHI: JRich+ Maxi Kleber
NYK: Jalen Brunson+ 2025 2nd round pick (DAL)
DAL: Lauri Markkanen+ Mitchell Robinson+ 2023 FRP (Least favorable between NYK and DAL). 

Mavs get their 2023 pick back that can free up it's use in trades. Borrowing Dan's idea where NYK can choose to swap the least favorable between the two picks and get a 2nd for their troubles. NYK also gets Brunson who they've been angling for at least a year and a half. Mavs swap a young prospect for another with Mitchell Robinson who had a down year filled with injuries but fits a great alongside Luka.

Mavs also go to Chicago and offer them a suitable cost controlled Lauri replacement along with some backcourt defense they've been looking for. Mavs get Lauri in a SNT.


Now all these moves set Dallas up perfectly to go big game hunting. The addition of Lauri and Robinson means KP is more than available to the highest bidder. Mavs also can create a superstar package built around the 3 picks+4 pick swaps the Nets paid for Brooklyn.

My fantasy trade is of course Dame, but another realistic one could also be CJ McCollum, who could fit extremely well still. A package built around KP and change for CJ and change could work well for both the Blazers and Mavs. 

Mavs can also find a way to turn THJ into a better bench. I LOVED the idea of sending THJ to Miami for Goran+Precious.

Luka/Goran
McCollum
DFS
Lauri
Robinson/Precious

I think that's a fantastic young roster that can compete right away. It actually mirrors the offseason ATL had a little bit. McCollum plays the secondary offensive creator like Bogdan. Robinson mirrors Capela in plenty of ways. Lauri can play an inside out game like John Collins. DFS= Deandre Hunter. Goran mirrors the old vet PG with experience akin to Lou Will. 

I like that team a lot.

(06-30-2021, 09:43 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: The thing about CJ is that Mark is specfically saying over and over again that he wants  a secondary scorer and ball handler with size.    McCollum isn't exactly AI size, but he's still just 6'3" and 190 lbs.  The reason I keep going back to DeRozan is he is the most available asset that meets the criteria that has been explicitly laid out.

(06-30-2021, 07:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I really liked this post.  I've kind of blown off the "KP for space" or "KP for S&T FA" deals preferring to look for teams that need KP and have assets we might want.  Why would I trade KP for DeRozan when I can just sign DeRozan?  But, there is a new sheriff in town and who knows what they might do with space. We also don't know what system we are going to run offensively.

In most deals where we trade KP without getting back a center, the automatic go-to is Holmes.  I'm a fan.  But he's $14-$18mm.  If we are dealing with SA, why not just take back Poeltl for about half of that.  Other than that little floater Holmes has, they are very similar.  Good and bad at almost exactly the same things.  Poeltl has the 37th highest DWS and 23rd highest DBPM in the league.  The Austrian native grades out as a slightly better interior defender than Holmes and turns 26 at the start of next season.  In 1,215 minutes where Poeltl and DD played together, SA had O/D ratings of 113.4/112.1 for a net of 1.3.  Their most used lineup that included JP/DD with Murray, White and Johnson was 117.9/111.9 for a net of 6.0.  In fact, as long as you kept JP/DD on the floor with any two of those guys, things went well.  So, there is an offensive scheme that works just fine with two non 3 point shooters and it isn't like Murray, White and Johnson are offensive juggernauts or even good floor spreaders themselves.

For $8.75mm you basically have your version of Zubac.  Any serious contender is going to need a guy like that to handle Ayton, Valenciunas, Towns, Embiid, Nurkic, Adams and Jokic.  You don't need that kind of big body interior presence every night, but when you do...you really do.  SA would presumably start KP at C, moving Poeltl to the bench.  The relationship with SA was already strained a bit as they played hardball with him when he was restricted last summer.  BTW, KP doesn't necessarily have to land in SA.  We are a viable threat to sign DeRozan outright.  Once mutual interest between Dallas and DeRozan is established, we work from there.  Maybe it is KP to SA.  Maybe it is KP to any of the half dozen other teams we've discussed and the assets we get from GS or Washington or Charlotte end up in SA.  It doesn't have to be equal value.  It just has to be good enough to motivate the Spurs to send Poeltl in the deal with S&T DeRozan.

I'm thinking you just keep DD at about his current $27.7mm salary.  Poeltl is $8.75mm and you sent out KP (and maybe WCS as injury insurance?).  If you do the latter, there is $30.5mm worth of space without JRich and $19.9mm with JRich.  You have Luka, DeRozan, Poeltl and DFS starting at this point with all sorts of options to add one more starter at any position other than C (plus some high level bench help).  You can throw the full max at Collins.  You can split the $30mm between Markannen and Danny Green (you need shooters at PF, does the defense of Poeltl make Markkanen more acceptable?).  You can play DFS/DeRozan at PF and focus on wings like THJ (probably not enough D) or Ball or N. Powell or Trent Jr. or Fournier or Graham.  You'd then use the rest of the money to finish out your Powell/Maxi/Green/Brunson bench.  I've not even started to contemplate S&T opportunities with THJ or JRich.  I'm not a fan of the deals where we send off half of our team.  This is relatively simple...KP and WCS and then make a decision about working over or under the cap depending on what you do with THJ.  You are turning KP into two starters and still have max money for Collins or plenty of money to add two players instead of the one near-max guy.

(06-30-2021, 09:40 AM)mvossman Wrote: That team will get so abused defensively.  Robinson is a long, long ways off from Capela.  It will be years before he develops into a true anchor at center.  Lauri is not in the same universe as Collins.

(06-30-2021, 09:48 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Main reason for more size is defensive versatility. 

(06-30-2021, 10:57 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Maybe, but I also think it could mean they're looking for someone who can play the 3, maybe even the 4, in small ball lineups and/or put  5 guys on the floor who are all 6'6" or bigger.   Or they're catching something in their motion tracking analytics that says Mavs opponents are hugging the 3 point line and parking under the rim while leaving the short to mid post wide open, and the Mavs have no one on the roster who can exploit it.

(06-30-2021, 07:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I've kind of blown off the "KP for space" or "KP for S&T FA" deals preferring to look for teams that need KP and have assets we might want.  Why would I trade KP for DeRozan when I can just sign DeRozan? 

In most deals where we trade KP without getting back a center, the automatic go-to is Holmes.  I'm a fan.  But he's $14-$18mm.  If we are dealing with SA, why not just take back Poeltl for about half of that. 

• Re: Why you would S&T KP - the answer is if you don't want him and someone else does. We don't know if Mavs want to keep him or trade him and its unclear what teams want him.
  
• Re; Poetl, I don't get the angle there bc Poeltl is under contract and Holmes is a UFA on a bad team that doesn't have his full bird rights. One guy is someone you'd have to give up assets for, the other guy is someone you can sign outright.
  

(06-30-2021, 11:17 AM)StepBackJay Wrote:

• Re: Why you would S&T KP - the answer is if you don't want him and someone else does. We don't know if Mavs want to keep him or trade him and its unclear what teams want him.
  

(06-30-2021, 10:55 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Maybe you can parade around on your high horse, if you have a young core like the Hawks.

If you f*** around aimlessly for a decade like the Mavs, you need to be thankful just to get somebody like Markkanen.

(06-30-2021, 11:53 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: now that we've established KP is no longer a rim protector or switchable big.

(06-30-2021, 12:10 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Who is this “we” and when did that “we” come to an established opinion that should be so easily thrown out for public consumption?

(06-30-2021, 12:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I was ok with it.

(06-30-2021, 12:16 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: You're also ok with Burke.

(06-30-2021, 12:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Very true. 

Some issues are small annoyances. Others are crippling, catastrophic mountains of terror and doom.

(06-30-2021, 12:23 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Does that not in and of it self make it less than established for you?

(06-30-2021, 12:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I try to feel that way.

Deep in my heart, I know the truth. Blech.