Quote:“I’d watched him growing up. I watched Kobe do everything. His shot. His footwork. How he works in the post. Everything growing up was Kobe. I tried to emulate the tough shots he took, his pump fake. There’s nothing you can show me that Kobe has done on a court that I don’t know about or have tried. I practice almost all of them.”

(06-25-2021, 07:39 AM)Branduil Wrote: Yeah I would go after Reggie Jackson 100 times out of 100 before going after Derozan. RJ will be much cheaper even with his playoff performance and a far better fit. Derozan isn't hitting any threes off of Luka passes and our defense with Luka/DDR/THJ/KP would be atrocious.

(06-25-2021, 07:47 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I think Reggie Jackson is getting ridiculously overrated because of the recency bias of these playoffs.    It's like when draft prospects shoot up the boards based on their  NCAA Tournament on some high profile televised games  and you don't look at the entire body of evidence.

(06-25-2021, 07:34 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Just a personal hunch, but I think the Mavs are going to go hard after DeRozan

(06-25-2021, 07:51 AM)Branduil Wrote: Maybe but you know what's not overrated? Being able to shoot and play defense. RJ can do both and DDR... struggles, to be polite.

(06-25-2021, 08:18 AM)Halfnir Wrote: DeRozan is such a star that he had to be traded in his prime by his long-time team to have a shot at a championship. 

(06-25-2021, 08:18 AM)Halfnir Wrote: DeRozan is such a star that he had to be traded in his prime by his long-time team to have a shot at a championship. 

(06-25-2021, 08:23 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Is CP3 a star?   Or is he disqualified because he's been traded so many times?

(06-25-2021, 08:22 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Guess he must have been good enough to be traded for a player that could singlehandedly carry the Raptors to a Championship. Hey let´s call the Clippers, maybe they want to trade Kawhi for THJ.

(06-25-2021, 08:27 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Did any of the CP3 teams improve after he left. Any of them got worse when arrived? CP3 is easily a top 10 PG of all time. DeRozan peaked as a borderline allstar. Only one season in his entire career with positive on/off impact.

(06-25-2021, 07:47 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I think Reggie Jackson is getting ridiculously overrated because of the recency bias of these playoffs.    It's like when draft prospects shoot up the boards based on their  NCAA Tournament on some high profile televised games  and you don't look at the entire body of evidence.

(06-25-2021, 07:56 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: If you want to read a lot into this year's playoffs, maybe let's look into the idea that defense isn't nearly as important as offense.

Also, DeRozan's career TS% is higher than Jackson's, despite the fact that he carries his team's offense, opponents gameplan to stop him and throw their best defenders on him and he's often forced to put up shots at the end of the shot clock while Jackson's career role is to go stand wide open somewhere as his teams 3rd or 4th offensive threat.,

(06-25-2021, 09:18 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: But maybe this is not a fluke. He spent most of his 5 seasons in Detroit with a myriad of injuries.  He's finally healthy.  Some team is going to give him a bag regardless just based on his playoff performance.

(06-25-2021, 09:05 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Im not even trying to asset DeRozan is as good as CP3, but the assertion that you can't be a "star" because you were traded is nonsensical to me when we have example after example after example of it happening.   Our new Head Coach is a first Ballot Hall of Fame player who was traded quite a number of times.

(06-25-2021, 09:44 AM)Halfnir Wrote: I have no problem labeling DeRozan as a (maybe former) star. And i'm not saying he or anyone else is not a star BECAUSE he got traded. I just don't see him as a star that helps a team to win as the best or second best player on the team (which he was in Toronto together with Lowry). And esp. not today and not with the fit with Luka.