(06-24-2021, 09:40 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Batum is good and he is a useful player, but Batum over Lauri? I know the Mavs are in win now mode because of a top 5 player, but Lauri still holds a lot of promise and could be a missed opportunity once again. Remember Dirk is on board and can have a defined/different role by the start of the season. And who knows? maybe Dirk can teach Lauri to be a better rebounder, teach him some of the swipes he makes as a defender, maybe some moves to punish smaller defenders, or make his face-up game better.

(06-24-2021, 10:49 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1408088547320598528?s=21
Here’s our chance!

(06-24-2021, 10:49 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1408088547320598528?s=21
Here’s our chance!

(06-24-2021, 11:03 AM)mvossman Wrote: You think they want KP?

(06-24-2021, 10:55 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Curious if this also applies to Christian Wood.

In a world where we move KP, Maxi (who would fit better next to Mobley) and a few assets for Wood could make sense for both sides.

(06-24-2021, 10:49 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1408088547320598528?s=21
Here’s our chance!

(06-24-2021, 11:15 AM)mvossman Wrote: I'm guessing they could get more than that for Wood.  In a world where we move KP, why not just get Holmes who doesn't cost an asset.

(06-24-2021, 10:00 AM)Mapka Wrote: I feel like that since all that trade KP-BS started.

Everybody is acting like he is a Rondo in Chandler Parsons body and Walls contract.

There might be a possible trade at the end of the day, that makes us better, but I wouldn't bet on that and I don't think the Mavs are looking in this direction at the moment.

(06-24-2021, 10:00 AM)Mapka Wrote: Rondo in Chandler Parsons body and Walls contract.

(06-24-2021, 12:37 PM)mvossman Wrote: Totally agree.  Unless Casey says he has lost his mobility forever, or his relationship with Luka is not salvageable, then I don't know why we would want to dump him for air, especially with an underwhelming free agent class and a Luka super max looming.  With a new coach and a healthy off season, there is a very good chance he will at least increase his value.

All that being said, if Charlotte offers up Hayward for KP, I would probably pull that trigger.  Sign Holmes and THJ (or even better would be Norman Powell) and you have probably significantly improved the team.

(06-24-2021, 01:17 PM)mvossman Wrote: Actually, if I take this another step further, trade Brunson for a protected first, and trade that to the Pels for S&T of Ball (with an overpay offer sheet).  That gets you a starting lineup of Holmes/DFS/Hayward/Luka/Ball.  The bench would be light with just Maxi, Powell, Burke and the kids.  Probably want to spend the exceptions on backcourt depth.  Is it me or would that team be a lot of fun and contender worthy? 

(06-24-2021, 10:49 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1408088547320598528?s=21
Here’s our chance!

(06-24-2021, 02:39 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I believe we also have a good relationship with the Cavs organization. Don´t even think you even need to use Porzingis. Maxi + small asset (Terry, future 2nd round pick).

Jarrett Allen should be very interested as it is a guaranteed starting spot (with or without Porzingis). You catch passes from Luka for the next decade, you getting paid, son.

This could be an unexpected opening, you can´t even plan for.

I like it.

(06-24-2021, 09:40 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Batum is good and he is a useful player, but Batum over Lauri? I know the Mavs are in win now mode because of a top 5 player, but Lauri still holds a lot of promise and could be a missed opportunity once again. Remember Dirk is on board and can have a defined/different role by the start of the season. And who knows? maybe Dirk can teach Lauri to be a better rebounder, teach him some of the swipes he makes as a defender, maybe some moves to punish smaller defenders, or make his face-up game better.

(06-24-2021, 02:55 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: With that said, can we please all stop with the line of thought that says..."I know (fill in player's name) has always been (fill in issue...bad at rebounding, a health risk, a crappy FT shooter, a bad 3 point shooter)."  "But, just wait until he gets here.  Surely (fill in Mav player or coach or trainer) will fix that".  It is total crap.  Other teams have trainers and shooting coaches and and and.  The idea that habitually unhealthy guys are going to suddenly stay healthy because Casey Smith is so much better than all the other trainers is just rooting for laundry.

(06-24-2021, 03:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: In the spirt of this thought, which I think is astute, I feel like we need to remember that Batum's resurgence seems to be tethered to him being used as a small ball center. 

I agree with your point about Markkanen/Batum with KP/Gobert re play styles, don't get me wrong. And, I'm a little intrigued by the idea of Batum, especially at the right price. 

But, half the people who want him seem content to say "he's still got it" as if his role hasn't totally changed this season with the Clippers. Maybe he COULD play the 4 here mostly and be effective. Just saying. It seems like some people even see him as a 3. My thought is that many of the people who like this idea (not you, specifically, Dan) would HATE how he was being used here if he came here and played the same, exact role he has played for LAC in these playoffs.

(06-24-2021, 02:55 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I won't repeat Mvossman, he expressed some of what I think very well.  Whether you value Batum or Lauri more highly depends on what you have at C.  If KP is still here, I'd much rather have Batum.  If Gobert was here, I could see the argument for Lauri.

With that said, can we please all stop with the line of thought that says..."I know (fill in player's name) has always been (fill in issue...bad at rebounding, a health risk, a crappy FT shooter, a bad 3 point shooter)."  "But, just wait until he gets here.  Surely (fill in Mav player or coach or trainer) will fix that".  It is total crap.  Other teams have trainers and shooting coaches and and and.  The idea that habitually unhealthy guys are going to suddenly stay healthy because Casey Smith is so much better than all the other trainers is just rooting for laundry.

Just to be clear, I view this differently than saying "(fill in player) is really skilled at open 3's, but gets no space on his current team.  Luka creates lots of open looks and I expect (rename player) to see a rise in his TS% because of it".  I think some level of that has been observable and is likely to be true.

(06-24-2021, 03:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think the playoffs may be coloring that.  He had a very nice regular season and played more SF than C.  B-Ref has the SF/PF/C split at 14/84/2.  82games has it at 31/19/0 (82games is percent of team minutes.  B-Ref is percent of player minutes).  If you look at lineups, there really aren't many minutes where Batum wasn't playing without either Ibaka, Zubac or a few minutes wit Cousins.  During the few that occurred without those guys, you'd probably call Morris the C.

(06-24-2021, 03:17 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Seriously is nobody worried about Batum at all?

His best seasons always seem to be contract years or the year immediately after (as a justification), then his performances fall off badly. You really trust him at age 33 to keep up his defensive intensity in two years (physically and mentally)? That he will outperform his contract (full MLE). I can easily see this contract go bad in 18 months. If we are not a legit contender like the Clippers do you think Batum would fight as hard on defense (at age 35) as a younger player, who is still looking for his next big payday? That´s before we even get into arguments about natural physical decline.

I´d feel a lot more confident that Markkanen lives up to his potential contract than Batum.

Also he´s averaging 8/5/2, instead of 4/4/3. Not sure he should get the tossed around MLE money at age 33. It´s not like he is suddenly setting the world on fire. We presumably have to pay DFS in 12 months, too.

(06-24-2021, 03:17 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Seriously is nobody worried about Batum at all?