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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-15-2021 (06-13-2021, 09:07 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Let me offer up the idea that Markkanen could be high up the list of B-Z. Bulls do not seem eager to keep him and are laser focused on Lonzo Ball. The Bulls would gladly swap Lauri for Lonzo but it's unclear whether Pels would have any interest. I do believe Lonzo will be mostly headed to Chicago in one way or another. LM is ok.... But I don't get to have him and Maxi on the floor together anymore than KP and Maxi. It's a good way to get hammered on the boards and have little rim protection from your center. He's super redundant with our bigs. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 06:07 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Can anyone help me understand why Steven Adams has a strong following here? He is also a guy who matches up against some of the bigger, physical centers but doesn't really punish smaller players. He would also clog the lane and I don't believe he is a great rim runner. So I think I like Adams prob more than the Mavs do for some of the reasons you listed. I just think he does things that compliment Luka really well, so if you can get him for just contracts (ie J Rich) then that's pretty interesting. What got him on my radar was seeing how good Boban is with Luka and how desperate the Mavs were to punish a small lineup. Adams is like Boban but an actual playable NBA player. He would still be a rotational guy but I think he does things that help win basketball games. Adams sets huge screens and is a great rim runner - I don't get why you are saying he isn't. I don't have stats in front of me but hard rolls to the rim to me are a staple of Adams' game. Adams is a hustle guy, gets rebounds, especially those offensive rebounds we love. I just thought he would be a very interesting get. He makes more sense if KP is traded for someone who isn't a big and you go straight committee (Adams, Powell, Maxi, maybe one more stretch big). I mainly am just fascinated by the idea of going ultra big as the Mavs did in the playoffs but with a much better player in Adams. I have never really seen anything like it. Finally my hot take is that this team would probably be better with an Adams led committee (including Maxi penciled in as the stretch big) than with KP on it. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 06:27 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: LM is ok.... But I don't get to have him and Maxi on the floor together anymore than KP and Maxi. It's a good way to get hammered on the boards and have little rim protection from your center. He's super redundant with our bigs. Right its up to Rick to figure out the pairings. I would he's redundant some in a good way, ie you have 3 stretch bigs, and he can roll as well (along with Powell). So I think he would compliment the rotation well and maybe put some pressure on KP. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 06:30 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Right its up to Rick to figure out the pairings. I would he's redundant some in a good way, ie you have 3 stretch bigs, and he can roll as well (along with Powell). So I think he would compliment the rotation well and maybe put some pressure on KP. I don't think you need pressure on KP. You need to find ways to make him better or trade him. But LM isn't going to be pressuring KP. KP had a nice year until the playoffs because he was relegated to a spot up shooter. That's all LM does. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-15-2021 If Pacers were willing to offer a 1st and Turner for Hayward logic would suggest a 1st and Turner for KP isn't that far fetched. If we could get their 1st this year and package it with whoever to trade up for Mitchell... Color me intrigued. I think Mitchell is a for sure starter and perhaps he's a star like his brother. But I think he's coming in next year ready to play. Luka, Mitchell, DFS, ?, Turner is a pretty good defensive team. You could choose to go after Powell for more defense and shooting and go small or Collins for rim rolling and rebounding. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - VintagePejav2 - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 04:47 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: One guy who I think is really underrated is Michael-Carter-Williams as a rotation guy you can get from rebuilding Orlando. If you can trade him for Burke I think that would be an easy decision. He is not a shooter but again we need a passer in that second unit and he is actually a pretty good passer off the bench. “Not a shooter” is an understatement. I am stunned he is still in the NBA. I still recall wishing that he fell to the Mavs at 13 in 2013 - what a painful draft that one is in hindsight. (06-15-2021, 06:50 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: If Pacers were willing to offer a 1st and Turner for Hayward logic would suggest a 1st and Turner for KP isn't that far fetched. Fantasy land. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - fifteenth - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 06:52 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: stuff.... RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 06:52 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: “Not a shooter” is an understatement. I am stunned he is still in the NBA. I still recall wishing that he fell to the Mavs at 13 in 2013 - what a painful draft that one is in hindsight. I would tend to think so... But as noted they offered Turner and a 1st for Gordon freaking Hayward lol. Hayward in his rebound year still had a worse season statistically across the board then KP. Kp had a bad playoffs but Hayward didn't even make it. In the East... I guess what I'm suggesting is that the Indy GM is a moron and we should try and take advantage of someone like him. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Jommybone - 06-15-2021 That would’ve been a homecoming for Hayward and woulda sold a bazillion tickets. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - VintagePejav2 - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 07:00 PM)fifteenth Wrote: Hey buddy! Good to see you again. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 07:28 PM)Jommybone Wrote: That would’ve been a homecoming for Hayward and woulda sold a bazillion tickets. Fair... That's still such a bad trade. But I can get the extra incentive for Indy. I'm good on going after Turner in a trade as a center and using KP as the trade chip. But you got to get someone to be able to score 20 ppg consistently. We need that secondary scorer bad and KP at least has the potential to figure that out. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 06-15-2021 No All-NBA super-max extension for Lavine... RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-15-2021 (06-15-2021, 09:32 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: No All-NBA super-max extension for Lavine... I believe he's got one more shot at it next year. I think if you make all nba in that year, you are eligible. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - DanSchwartzgan - 06-16-2021 New piece from the Toronto writer for The Athletic on potential landing spots for Kyle Lowry. He delves into NY, Miami, Philly and Dallas. The Philly package mentioned in the last sentence revolves around G. Hill, Curry and Maxey: Dallas Mavericks This is one of my favourite potential Lowry destinations, although it would be far more interesting if the rightfully maligned Kristaps Porzingis were not on the books for more than $101 million over the next three years. Not great. Still, watching Luka Doncic wear down late in virtually every game against the Clippers, it is tempting to imagine Lowry absorbing some of the playmaking duties that were on Docic’s shoulders. We’ve already seen what Lowry can do as a secondary playmaker next to a true superstar. Alas, this will functionally come down to the Mavericks choosing between retaining free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., who acquitted himself nicely against the Clippers, or trying to use the space created by his departure to build out the roster. The Mavericks have to consider the long-term with Doncic as the focal point, and the picture is quite cloudy right now. Of course, Lowry has the ability to refocus an organization with his competitiveness alone. A sign-and-trade deal is also possible, especially if Josh Richardson opts into his $11.6-million salary next year, but the Mavericks cannot put together an offer as appealing as Philadelphia can. https://theathletic.com/2653419/2021/06/16/kyle-lowry-in-free-agency-teams-outside-the-raptors-that-could-vie-for-his-services/ RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - omahen - 06-16-2021 (06-16-2021, 06:34 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: New piece from the Toronto writer for The Athletic on potential landing spots for Kyle Lowry. He delves into NY, Miami, Philly and Dallas. The Philly package mentioned in the last sentence revolves around G. Hill, Curry and Maxey Thanks for posting. I think when thinking about players like Lowry (and Conley and CP3) it all comes down to a simple question. Is Dallas ready to be a serious contender? This is a question Lowry will be asking himself and his decision will likely have much to do with the answer. It is also a question Mavs should be asking themselves. There is absolutely no point in bringing 35 year old vet if you need 5 years to build a contending team. The Cato piece certainly throws a lot of doubt at how ready Mavs really are. Still, there is plenty of time to remedy that. Personally I think a guy like Lowry while keeping THJ to be a 6th man is certainly a serious step. There are no super teams around the league and if the Mavs were able to take Clippers to 7 games a good piece to the puzzle might be enough to push us into serious conversations. Getting Lowry while loosing THJ - I am not so sure the incoming quality could provide big enough upgrade. This is why I said, that the minimum for me to think the offseason is ok (B-) is keeping THJ and bringing one quality player. It might take a little creation, but not that much. If the move is to renounce THJ and sign another guy instead, than sorry, I am just as qualified to be a GM. If the move is sign THJ for 20 mil and spend the rest on MLE level guy, than sorry, that is also not good enough for me. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 06-16-2021 (06-15-2021, 07:03 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: I would tend to think so... But as noted they offered Turner and a 1st for Gordon freaking Hayward lol. I´m very much in favour of trading for Mr. Turner, but let´s not act stupid again. Indiana´s worst season in the last 30 years was 32 wins in a small market. That does not reek of incompetence. Turner has been fairly injury-prone himself. Just like with Porzingis there are some red flags. He´s not the classic rim-rolling center that Carlisle knows how to use either. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 06-16-2021 (06-15-2021, 06:50 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: If Pacers were willing to offer a 1st and Turner for Hayward logic would suggest a 1st and Turner for KP isn't that far fetched.So, if Cha doesn’t want Turner and a 1st, but want KP. This is a 3 team deal. Turner/Lamb and 1st to Dal (I think that might be enough to where our FO pulls the trigger) KP to Cha Hayward to Ind RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Chicagojk - 06-16-2021 (06-16-2021, 06:48 AM)omahen Wrote: Thanks for posting. I think when thinking about players like Lowry (and Conley and CP3) it all comes down to a simple question. Is Dallas ready to be a serious contender? This is a question Lowry will be asking himself and his decision will likely have much to do with the answer. It is also a question Mavs should be asking themselves. There is absolutely no point in bringing 35 year old vet if you need 5 years to build a contending team. The Cato piece certainly throws a lot of doubt at how ready Mavs really are. Still, there is plenty of time to remedy that. The Hardaway decision is going to be fascinating. After the first two games in the playoffs, Stein had a tweet saying the Mavs were confident in being able to resign Hardaway. In Carlisle's end of year press conference, he made a comment saying that he was sure Donnie told you(the media) getting him signed was a priority. But then he mentioned a secondary ball handler and a 3 and D type player. I don't believe Donnie was quite as forceful with his answer. I wonder if there are conflicting thoughts among the two factions in the front office? RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Chicagojk - 06-16-2021 Tim Cato is doing a Q & A on the Athletic now. Someone asked about using the MLE and Tim responded that they won't have the full MLE because they plan to operate as a team with cap space. Didn't mention if that was his opinion or if he has solid intel of their direction at this point. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - SleepingHero - 06-16-2021 (06-16-2021, 12:25 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Tim Cato is doing a Q & A on the Athletic now. Someone asked about using the MLE and Tim responded that they won't have the full MLE because they plan to operate as a team with cap space. Didn't mention if that was his opinion or if he has solid intel of their direction at this point. That means they have Timmy's starting number locked in and are going to renounce everyone. So WCS/JRich are almost certainly gone. Melli, Redick as well. Bey and Hinton will be renounced but I don't think they really matter. So lets pencil in THJ at around 17 mil, that'd leave the Mavs with around 18 mil to play with. Who can they get for that? Or are they going to again try and swing for the fences and aim even higher? |