(06-11-2021, 06:27 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: To me the sticking point would be Washington's pick #15. I have a feeling they will make a deal because otherwise they are locked into mediocrity anyway.

(06-11-2021, 06:27 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't think its hard at all to get salaries synced up. I agree that Mavs wouldn't be bothered by Bertans contract. Bertans is a high volume shooter so 16/yr is actually pretty good. I am pretty sure Mavs would want Avdija and Bryant which would put you at 28-29 which is good enough for salary matching. Avdija has some promise, Bryant is sort of a flier with his injury but on a 1 yr deal.

To me the sticking point would be Washington's pick #15. I have a feeling they will make a deal because otherwise they are locked into mediocrity anyway.

In this move they would be losing two starters that were both injured this year (Bryant, Avdija) for KP. If they want to start a Hachimura/KP front court they could go that route and just figure out SF. Hutchinson is another SF they drafted and they would probably have the full MLE to round out the roster.

(06-11-2021, 10:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: Turner is a good defensive player, but there is no way he can make up for Luka/THJ/Bertans.  That lineup would be a shitshow defensively and there is still nobody to take some pressure off Luka offensively.

(06-11-2021, 10:45 PM)mvossman Wrote: If KP is struggling to play the 5 defensively due to lack of mobility, how is it going to work with him playing the 4?  Again, Turner is a really good rim protector, but he can't cover KP at the 4 and THJ and Doncic.

If that playoff series taught anything it was that our biggest issues are defense, second unit when Doncic is off the floor, and better offensive decisions by supporting cast when Doncic is doubled.  This does not really address any of that.

(06-11-2021, 11:10 PM)Branduil Wrote: Thinking about it, if the Mavs could include JRich and Burke in a Kleber-for-Collins trade, whether going to the Hawks or a 3rd team with cap space, they could operate as an over-the-cap team. So trade for Collins, re-sign THJ, and go after guys like Reggie Jackson for the MLE, and maybe Batum with the BAE.

Luka / Brunson
Jackson / THJ
DFS / Green
Collins / Batum
KP / WCS / DP

(06-11-2021, 11:10 PM)Branduil Wrote: Thinking about it, if the Mavs could include JRich and Burke in a Kleber-for-Collins trade, whether going to the Hawks or a 3rd team with cap space, they could operate as an over-the-cap team. So trade for Collins, re-sign THJ, and go after guys like Reggie Jackson for the MLE, and maybe Batum with the BAE.

Luka / Brunson
Jackson / THJ
DFS / Green
Collins / Batum
KP / WCS / DP

(06-12-2021, 02:58 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think the sticking point is that the Mavs don't want to give up KP for a bunch of spare parts that have done nothing to contribute to winning while they were on a losing team. 

KP isn't being moved for anything less than 2 good solid role players. Again I believe that's the FLOOR of any KP trade that the Mavs are looking for. That might not be KP's supposed value to other GM's but it doesn't matter. Mavs set the price. It's up to the other teams to pay.

For that reason, he's going to be in a Mav jersey next season. The real goal this offseason is turning THJ/Brunson/DFS/Maxi from our 3rd/4th/5th/6th best players to 5th/6th/7th/8th best.

(06-12-2021, 09:36 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think the way to get Collins is money whip him with the max SnT amount (29 first year) and so I don't see an over-the-cap route unless you are able to send quite a bit of salary in a multi-team trade. Maxi seems like a suitable replacement for the soon to be cap-strapped Hawks but they might not care for pieces like J Rich, Burke or Powell. Green is another guy you might have to part with to make all this happen. There's scenarios where a 3rd team will take some of those players "for free" which makes the math work for an over the cap situation.

(06-12-2021, 10:02 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Maxi and JRich get you to $25mm.  That is plenty of money for Collins.

(06-12-2021, 10:06 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Do you think Maxi and JR get the conversation started for a JC sign and trade? I would LOVE, LOVE that.

(06-12-2021, 10:28 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: If Atlanta is convinced that they can't keep him and they would rather have the '25 draft pick rather than let him walk for nothing. 


My fear is that Atlanta wants the pick, but doesn't want the salary and forces Dallas to off-load salary on OKC, which costs another 1st rd pick to get the deal done.

Of course, in that scenario I would like to send out the end of the bench (Burke/WCS) to OKC rather than actual contributors. The threat of creating a TE that can be leveraged as the potential of cap space would create an advantage for Dallas AND still maintain the full MLE if used as an actual TE.

(06-12-2021, 10:06 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Do you think Maxi and JR get the conversation started for a JC sign and trade? I would LOVE, LOVE that.

(06-12-2021, 10:40 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'd rather trade match.  The theory is THJ + MLE > Maxi/JRich/rMLE on a team that has Collins.  This is where Caruso comes in IMHO.

KP/WC-P
Collins/DFS
DFS/THJ-Green
THJ/Caruso
Luka/Brunson

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Like I said, It probably takes a pick also.  Maybe Green too if you have to get to $28mm for Collins.

(06-12-2021, 12:14 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: I agree... BUT I also believe that the THREAT of a salary dump to OKC might be required to get Atlanta to negotiate.

Ultimately how Dallas operates will depend on Mark Cuban being willing to pay the TAX in 21-22.

(06-12-2021, 12:18 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: @"loki" I don't agree. Hawks have a lot of contracts on the books with additional big deals in the way. A max Collins deal plus a max Trae extension is going to put them deep into luxury tax 1 yr from now unless they start finding ways to shed money. Hunter, Huerter will get paid in a couple years. So somebody is getting moved unless they want to have a 170 million dollar cap sheet.

Now they could move a guy like Gallo but maybe they don't want to. He is a guy you could keep one more year and then move. Maxi is an example of a cheap rotation player. So I don't think it's a done deal at all that they want to match a max offer especially if they don't get past the Sixers.

It was pretty public that Collins was available for the right price at the TDL. I don't think he was moved bc they knew the same type of offers would still be there in the summer.