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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-11-2021

Reggie Jackson is my new pet cat. I am telling you sign Reggie to replace THJ at half the price. Clippers don't have bird rights to be able to keep him.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Scott41theMavs - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Reggie Jackson is my new pet cat. I am telling you sign Reggie to replace THJ at half the price. Clippers don't have bird rights to be able to keep him.

I think he's likely pricier than that.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - KillerLeft - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am telling you sign Reggie to replace THJ at half the price.

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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:03 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: He could be part of a KP trade that gets us back Adams Ball and Hart...

KP + Burke + Richardson --> Hart 3/30 (9m first year) + Ball 4/98 (22m first year) + Adams

Resign THJ 4/68 (15m first year)

Operate over the cap. Use the MLE/BAE to add a bigger wing and a versatile small ball big. For example (Theis + Tucker)


Just don´t see it for the Pelicans. Maybe if the Mavs add some assets (pick swap, 2nd round picks, Brunson instead of Burke). On paper KP would be a great fit on offense but if he cannot improve on defense Zion/KP is not going to work.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - KillerLeft - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Burke


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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ClutchDirk - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: KP + Burke + Richardson --> Hart 3/30 (9m first year) + Ball 4/98 (22m first year) + Adams

Resign THJ 4/68 (15m first year)

Operate over the cap. Use the MLE/BAE to add a bigger wing and a versatile small ball big. For example (Theis + Tucker)


Just don´t see it for the Pelicans. Maybe if the Mavs add some assets (pick swap, 2nd round picks, Brunson instead of Burke). On paper KP would be a great fit on offense but if he cannot improve on defense Zion/KP is not going to work.

Could we let THJ walk and use the money for Markkanen...

Luka
Ball
Hart
Markkanen
Adams


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 01:44 PM)omahen Wrote: Orlando. Rebuilding? They traded their best veterans but a little bit of lottery luck can give them a top5 and top10 pick in the following. With returning Isaac, Fultz and remaining bunch of promising young role players, this team might become a very exciting and promising team quickly. Any team featuring Isaac and Fultz will desperately need shooters on all remaining positions. KP anyone? Similar to Houston and Detroit limited cap space.

Sacramento. Desperate? Longest tenure without play-offs. Trying very hard each year and failing miserably each year.

Minnesota. Desperate? Their team is at tax level and they were one of the worst in the league.

Washington. Desperate. Beal is not wanting out (yet), so team desperately tries to improve.

I disagree with some of your assessments but enjoyed your post! Very well thought out.

A couple comments:

- Orlando you never know they could be into a KP swap for like WCJ, Ross, Harris. That's not much to give up on their end, basically spare parts for KP. Mavs would need to send more salary like J Rich for salary matching. Mavs would get bench guys and WCJ has potential as a starter or at least solid rotational big.

- Sacramento you can count on for random moves. A Hield/Bagley move would actually make a lot of sense. I think Bagley looked like a HOF-er against the Mavs so sure I would take a crack at that. I think he is a perfect buy-low guy. Hield is a high floor scorer/shooter.

- Minnesota - the Mavs angle here is getting Rubio for simple cap relief. Bringing back Rubio didn't really do anything for the Wolves and their salary rolls are way too high. You can probably get Rubio for a lesser contract like J Rich or Burke. Rubio would be awesome for the Mavs I think off the bench.

- Washington might be the most likely trade partner. As you say they are desperate and if Mavs are as desperate as we think they are they would take the relatively humble pieces from Washington to get off of KP's deal and get some usable pieces.

Something to remember is that even if some of you don't love a trade package from like a Washington, once you break KP's massive deal into smaller contracts, all of a sudden they are easier to move. That's one way you get out from a big deal like KP's before maybe its too late (ie re-injury, etc.).


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [Image: giphy.gif]

This time I just tried to match salaries (I guess WCS would have worked as well). Thankfully the Mavs have an overpaid end of the bench PG on the roster. Great contract. Knew all along that he would  be crucial for the future of the Mavs. Tongue


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:51 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Could we let THJ walk and use the money for Markkanen...

Luka
Ball
Hart
Markkanen
Adams

Not enough capspace. That´s why I picked the over the cap and resign THJ option. Could try to sign&trade THJ for Markkanen but my proposal is already in pipe dream territory. Hoping for another miracle trade on top of it might be a little bit too much.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 04:15 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Just so hard to get the salaries synced up, although I think the Mavs are less bothered by Bertans´contract than us (if I had to guess), but both sides are probably hung up on Hachimura.

I don't think its hard at all to get salaries synced up. I agree that Mavs wouldn't be bothered by Bertans contract. Bertans is a high volume shooter so 16/yr is actually pretty good. I am pretty sure Mavs would want Avdija and Bryant which would put you at 28-29 which is good enough for salary matching. Avdija has some promise, Bryant is sort of a flier with his injury but on a 1 yr deal.

To me the sticking point would be Washington's pick #15. I have a feeling they will make a deal because otherwise they are locked into mediocrity anyway.

In this move they would be losing two starters that were both injured this year (Bryant, Avdija) for KP. If they want to start a Hachimura/KP front court they could go that route and just figure out SF. Hutchinson is another SF they drafted and they would probably have the full MLE to round out the roster.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - DallasBasketball - 06-11-2021

I think we are past the days of signing young unproven players. We have enough of them on the roster now to fill our quota and unless a player is exceptionally talented and advanced for their age, (so it could still happen as an exception) but I wouldn’t expect to target anybody under about 26-27 years old for the remainder of Luka’s career.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-11-2021

For Mavs I think in a Washington deal you probably flip that 15 for another deal. Bertans would be your starting PF shooter and you would sign or trade for a new center (eg Turner, etc.). Avdija is a prospect, rotational guy you can develop or trade at a later time. If Bryant comes back healthy he could actually be your starting center or he might just be salary filler in another deal.

I think a starting lineup like this is pretty good. Out of this lineup Turner is your worst shooter but he won't take a lot of shots with 2 high volume guys (THJ, Bertans) on the floor. Even DFS takes around 5 3's now. Turner gives you the threat of 3 at least and can roll to the rim as well.

Luka
THJ
DFS
Bertans
Turner


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 05:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [Image: tenor.gif?itemid=15394904]

Prove me wrong...


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - RedFlag41 - 06-11-2021

Bring back Black Falcon Trade Idea:

KP and JRich for Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - khaled1987 - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 06:32 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: I think we are past the days of signing young unproven players. We have enough of them on the roster now to fill our quota and unless a player is exceptionally talented and advanced for their age, (so it could still happen as an exception) but I wouldn’t expect to target anybody under about 26-27 years old for the remainder of Luka’s career.

Actually I will say it is the opposite, now more than ever we need to take those prospects more seriously. 
Soon enough Luka will be taking huge chunk of our salary cap, and those we have developed as bargain deals (DFS & Maxi) will be getting bigger deals and will be older too. 
We need to develop those young players who will have a role as bargains somewhere, they make things easier. 
Look at Barea for example, undrafted at the age of 22, came when Dirk was 28 and just made the finals (and not 1st round exit) and 5 years later (2 of which he barely played) and he was one of the most important bench players (and starter) in our championship run.

That being said, if at least 3 of our rookies are back next season, then I agree.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - sterlingmallory - 06-11-2021

I'm to the point where I think the Mavs hold on to KP for one more year. He looked bad but he's only 25 and was coming off an injury. Whose to say he couldn't benefit from a healthy offseason and come back better next year? I think trading him when his value is at it's lowest might not be the best move.

I'd love to see if we could trade for Myles Turner without giving up KP. Let's say Richardson opts in and we trade him, Brunson, and salary filler like Burke or WCS for Turner? I love Brunson but you have to give something to get something. Then re-sign THJ and see if you can pick up Dragic and a decent wing with your exceptions? The cap experts in here don't seem to think we'll have much if any cap space left if we re-sign THJ so I'm trying to think of realistic scenarios.

Those moves could give you a main rotation of :

Turner/Powell
Porzingis/Kleber
Finney-Smith/Green
Hardaway Jr/FA Wing
Doncic/Dragic

Turner would give us some rim protection and a pick and roll/rim running partner for Luka who can also shoot the 3 a bit. Dragic is your secondary playmaker. FA wing of choice brings defense and shooting. Maybe a vet like Bazemore or Danny Green could fill that role?

That would be a good offseason for me and seems realistic. That said, if we somehow were able to get some cap space I'd love to go after Richaun Holmes, Norm Powell, or Talen Horton-Tucker. Whatever we do we need rim protection, defense and shooting from the wings, and a secondary playmaker.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 08:32 PM)RedFlag41 Wrote: Bring back Black Falcon Trade Idea:

KP and JRich for Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes.

Harry Barnes has really improved his game in SAC. His numbers were great last year. I know people on this board hate Barnes but he's a good player. Hield and Barnes are both very good players and high floor players in the sense that you know what you are getting. 

Barnes contract is actually really good per his production now and easily movable. Hield's contract is not terrible. Since the salaries decrease year over year it will actually be a pretty good 2 year deal one year from now.

JRich is a zero and KP is a complete wildcard so I would do that type of deal in a heartbeat. THJ and Hield are redundant, I would much rather spend that money on Holmes or someone like that. Knowing the Mavs they would still resign THJ and use the MLE on a big or trade for one.

If you did do this your lineup could be something like:

Luka/Brunson
Hield/THJ
DFS/Green
Barnes/Maxi
MLE big?/Powell

MLE options: Theis, Ibakam, Baynes (we don't talk ab Baynes much but I think Raps won't pick up his TO).

Also oft-discussed would be a trade for Adams for pieces like Maxi/WCS/Burke.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 06:33 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: For Mavs I think in a Washington deal you probably flip that 15 for another deal. Bertans would be your starting PF shooter and you would sign or trade for a new center (eg Turner, etc.). Avdija is a prospect, rotational guy you can develop or trade at a later time. If Bryant comes back healthy he could actually be your starting center or he might just be salary filler in another deal.

I think a starting lineup like this is pretty good. Out of this lineup Turner is your worst shooter but he won't take a lot of shots with 2 high volume guys (THJ, Bertans) on the floor. Even DFS takes around 5 3's now. Turner gives you the threat of 3 at least and can roll to the rim as well.

Luka
THJ
DFS
Bertans
Turner

Turner is a good defensive player, but there is no way he can make up for Luka/THJ/Bertans.  That lineup would be a shitshow defensively and there is still nobody to take some pressure off Luka offensively.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 06-11-2021

(06-11-2021, 08:41 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: I'm to the point where I think the Mavs hold on to KP for one more year. He looked bad but he's only 25 and was coming off an injury. Whose to say he couldn't benefit from a healthy offseason and come back better next year? I think trading him when his value is at it's lowest might not be the best move.

I'd love to see if we could trade for Myles Turner without giving up KP. Let's say Richardson opts in and we trade him, Brunson, and salary filler like Burke or WCS for Turner? I love Brunson but you have to give something to get something. Then re-sign THJ and see if you can pick up Dragic and a decent wing with your exceptions? The cap experts in here don't seem to think we'll have much if any cap space left if we re-sign THJ so I'm trying to think of realistic scenarios.

Those moves could give you a main rotation of :

Turner/Powell
Porzingis/Kleber
Finney-Smith/Green
Hardaway Jr/FA Wing
Doncic/Dragic

Turner would give us some rim protection and a pick and roll/rim running partner for Luka who can also shoot the 3 a bit. Dragic is your secondary playmaker. FA wing of choice brings defense and shooting. Maybe a vet like Bazemore or Danny Green could fill that role?

That would be a good offseason for me and seems realistic. That said, if we somehow were able to get some cap space I'd love to go after Richaun Holmes, Norm Powell, or Talen Horton-Tucker. Whatever we do we need rim protection, defense and shooting from the wings, and a secondary playmaker.

If KP is struggling to play the 5 defensively due to lack of mobility, how is it going to work with him playing the 4?  Again, Turner is a really good rim protector, but he can't cover KP at the 4 and THJ and Doncic.

If that playoff series taught anything it was that our biggest issues are defense, second unit when Doncic is off the floor, and better offensive decisions by supporting cast when Doncic is doubled.  This does not really address any of that.


RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Branduil - 06-11-2021

Thinking about it, if the Mavs could include JRich and Burke in a Kleber-for-Collins trade, whether going to the Hawks or a 3rd team with cap space, they could operate as an over-the-cap team. So trade for Collins, re-sign THJ, and go after guys like Reggie Jackson for the MLE, and maybe Batum with the BAE.

Luka / Brunson
Jackson / THJ
DFS / Green
Collins / Batum
KP / WCS / DP