(06-10-2021, 07:55 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think KP contract is nearly as equaly bad as Kemba one, so I would never consider it without significant assets going our way. He is way older, same injury liability, higher yearly number taking away more of our cap space, doesn't play defense. The only advantage is one year shorter contract.

(06-10-2021, 12:13 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: "some" is putting it realllllllly lightly.


Being bad at something is not an excuse to be worse at it.


We are on the same page here, but I believe you can solve this problem without creating another one.  It just requires KP wearing a different jersey.

(06-10-2021, 12:19 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Well my first option would be KP on another team

(06-10-2021, 12:15 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If Boston takes JRich with KP, is that “significant”?  I’m thinking KP/JRich for Kemba + Someone (RWIll, GWill or Nesmith).  Saves us cap space and gives us that secondary piece who eventually becomes the main focus of the trade.

(06-10-2021, 12:35 PM)mvossman Wrote: No.  If JRich opts in (which I think is very unlikely) then I doubt we have to pay an asset to dump him.  I would much rather have KP than Kemba, regardless of the extra year.

(06-10-2021, 12:15 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If Boston takes JRich with KP, is that “significant”?

(06-10-2021, 10:12 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think Ball does some nice things.  He was my favorite prospect in that draft.    I loved his game.   

He has a great Bball IQ, but when I watch him play, I am mostly left uninspired.   He seems to take open threes.   He doesn't handle the ball as much as I thought he would.   He makes smart passes, but doesn't put much force on a defense (outside of passing the ball up the court in transition) because he hardly drives nor gets to the line.  

I don't like the fit if you added him to our current team, because you would just add another guy who pretty much spots up at the three point line.  He shot the ball well this year, but I am not certain he would shoot better here (The Josh Richardson effect).  

If we had a guy like Derozan, I think he would make better sense, but If you put him at SG with our current team, I think it does not move the needle enough for me.   

Would love to see him hit though.  I really like watching good/great passers.

(06-10-2021, 10:41 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I know you've laid out your argument but you have to understand that while you're getting a center to address KPs issues defensively there, now you're taking Maxi's defense out of the lineup and asking KP to guard the following PFs in the West:

Utah - Bogdan/Royce O'Neal
Phoenix - Jae Crowder
Denver - Aaron Gordon
Clippers - Marcus Morris
Portland - Robert Covington 
Lakers - AD
Grizz - Jaren Jackson

Now if you get someone like Holmes, you could argue maybe he has the perimeter defense to handle those guys but it also goes against the argument that you're getting a defensive center because you aren't even playing him there if you did that.

Rick going to zone the first time we've ever seen KP at the 4 defensively all year tells you all you need to know about what Rick thinks of KP at the 4.  And he's right.

I honestly don't care about KP at the 4 or 5 on offense.  Him at the 5 is better for him but him at the 4 with a rim runner at 5 is better for Luka so perfect world is he's a floor spacer when Luka is with him and he takes over at the 5 when Luka's not but he's proven he gets easily bothered by wing defenders in the post and doesn't really have any actual...you know...moves which is why when everything was on the line Rick put baby in the corner.

(06-10-2021, 01:27 PM)mvossman Wrote: I agree with almost all of this, but I think its a myth that Luka is better with a rim runner.  The numbers suggest he may be even better with 5 out:

2020  Powell/KP/Luka/DFS/THJ   120 off rating   +11 net  (the most used 5 man lineup that year)
2020  Powell/KP/Luka                118 off rating   +8 net

2021  Maxi/KP/Luka/DFS/JRich  124 off rating    +13 net  (the most used 5 man lineup, and they did this with JRich!)
2021  Maxi/KP/Luka                 123 off rating    +12 net

(06-10-2021, 01:59 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: That's pretty interesting.  Do you have the numbers for last year's lineup this year?  Just curious what those look like as well.

Also, I'm on the record as making sure we still have a roster than can deploy a good 5 out system because Rick likes to pull out all the stops in the playoffs so I don't want to get away from that option.  It just doesn't feel like you can do with KP and have a competent playoff defense at the same time.

(06-10-2021, 02:34 PM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1403065679515766786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1403065679515766786%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fdallas-mavericks

(06-10-2021, 02:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Right on the money.

(06-10-2021, 02:34 PM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1403065679515766786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1403065679515766786%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fdallas-mavericks

(06-10-2021, 04:03 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: This is a big news report underscoring a) need for playmaker b) reiterating that they would *need* to move KP.

(06-09-2021, 10:28 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Those passes made me nuts. I wonder how many turnovers we had trying to force-feed Boban in the post.