(06-10-2021, 07:25 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: If Mavs truly can only get trash offers for KP I would rather keep him a little bit longer to try to raise his value.

(06-10-2021, 07:55 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think KP contract is nearly as equaly bad as Kemba one

(06-10-2021, 03:34 AM)Branduil Wrote: Rubio

(06-10-2021, 08:02 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: One thing even NY fans talked about is KP came into a season playing great. If KP came in scoring 24-25 ppg and was active on defense to start the season AND DOESN’T GET seriously HURT, his value could skyrocket for the TDL or earlier.

(06-09-2021, 04:37 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I agree with all of this to be honest and would rather target Ball but it feels like there's a lot of folks in the org focused on bringing Timmy back which makes Ball much less likely.

I'm also less concerned about the fit with KP defensively to be honest because I'm of the belief that we just can't build a championship defense around KP and even if we could I don't really think we should be burning years just to find out when there could be other ways to build a better defense instead of hoping that KP comes around.

I believe that any KP move would actually be done to create more flexibility and bring in assets to then send out again which is why if he's moved I think it may end up being as simple as KP for Horford/pick.  That way you would have 40 mil this season which may be cutting it close but would be enough to sign both THJ and Collins and then you can now trade picks again in order to rebuild your defense and I would think the obvious targets are the names that have been floated from Indiana in Brogdon and Turner.

KP for Horford/2023 OKC pick

Maxi/Brunson/2023 OKC pick and maybe our 2025 pick for Brogdon/Turner (this doesn't work out money wise but could be done in separate moves)

Sign Collins/THJ with space

Sign Batum with rMLE (no idea what his market will hold to be honest)

Sign TJ McConnell with the BAE (which to be honest I can't even remember if we have this year)

That's the offseason I've now settled on in my head as something that would put us in a strong position moving forward.

Luka/McConnell/Burke
Brogdon/THJ/Green
DFS/Batum
Collins/Horford
Turner/Powell

(06-09-2021, 07:48 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Okay so 27 is a little better. So 34 - 27 = 7 left. Dump Maxi somewhere and you are around 16 or so but THJ could be more than that. You might be able to pay someone to take Burke or include Green in the S&T as another asset for ATL to make a deal. If you get to 18-19 that's probably the number THJ is going to settle on I think.

So your roster looks something like:

Luka/Brunson
THJ/Terry/?
DFS/?
KP/?
Collins/Powell/Boban?

+ rMLE. 

Bench seems really thing in this scenario. I think you might spend the rMLE on the BPA btwn a wing and a guard. Like if Sato is cut and is available for rMLE I think we'd be pretty thrilled. You probably need your young guys to play a little bit, Terry in particular. 

It's just a really thin bench. I don't know if Collins is such a massive upgrade in the starting unit to construct a roster this way.

(06-10-2021, 10:03 AM)Jommybone Wrote: A name I haven’t seen around here: Josh Jackson.

Yes, I realize he has sucked brutally in 4 NBA years. But he’s only 24. He was the 4th pick in the 2017 draft. He has the size and athleticism to live up to that potential. His body was made for the modern NBA. And at this point, he’s a low-risk bargain. 

True, he can’t shoot. But what did Dorian’s shot look like at 24?

True, he’s not technically available. But wouldn’t Detroit like to have hometown hero Trey Burke of UM/NCAA Tourney fame? 

A super-athletic 6-8 wing with tons of upside sure seems like a guy who ought to be on our radar. Even if he’s been a disappointing youngster. And a future guard line up of Doncic, Green, Jackson could be fearsome. Add Doe-Doe and a modern center and we’re talking serious defensive flexibility. 

I give this post two thumbs up.

(06-10-2021, 09:21 AM)Branduil Wrote: I wouldn't give Ball $15 million let alone the 20+ numbers people are throwing around.

(06-10-2021, 08:53 AM)mvossman Wrote: If KP and Maxi get back to their previous defensive levels after a healthy off season, that team starts looking very dangerous.  

This is probably the one reasonable scenario I can think of where we mostly bring it back where I would not be pissed.  The FO gets to save face by landing their "third star" and if KP still doesn't fit with the team, maybe you have raised his value for a trade.

(06-10-2021, 10:03 AM)Jommybone Wrote: A name I haven’t seen around here: Josh Jackson.

(06-10-2021, 10:11 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10005388-nba-rumors-pacers-governor-wont-let-kevin-pritchard-blow-up-the-roster

(06-10-2021, 10:11 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10005388-nba-rumors-pacers-governor-wont-let-kevin-pritchard-blow-up-the-roster

(06-10-2021, 10:31 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I have been adamant that KP needs to be paired with a center that can play defense if he stays here.

(06-10-2021, 10:41 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Rick going to zone the first time we've ever seen KP at the 4 defensively all year tells you all you need to know about what Rick thinks of KP at the 4.  And he's right.

I honestly don't care about KP at the 4 or 5 on offense.  Him at the 5 is better for him but him at the 4 with a rim runner at 5 is better for Luka so perfect world is he's a floor spacer when Luka is with him and he takes over at the 5 when Luka's not but he's proven he gets easily bothered by wing defenders in the post and doesn't really have any actual...you know...moves which is why when everything was on the line Rick put baby in the corner.

(06-10-2021, 10:41 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I know you've laid out your argument but you have to understand that while you're getting a center to address KPs issues defensively there, now you're taking Maxi's defense out of the lineup and asking KP to guard the following PFs in the West:

Utah - Bogdan/Royce O'Neal
Phoenix - Jae Crowder
Denver - Aaron Gordon
Clippers - Marcus Morris
Portland - Robert Covington 
Lakers - AD
Grizz - Jaren Jackson

Now if you get someone like Holmes, you could argue maybe he has the perimeter defense to handle those guys but it also goes against the argument that you're getting a defensive center because you aren't even playing him there if you did that.

Rick going to zone the first time we've ever seen KP at the 4 defensively all year tells you all you need to know about what Rick thinks of KP at the 4.  And he's right.

I honestly don't care about KP at the 4 or 5 on offense.  Him at the 5 is better for him but him at the 4 with a rim runner at 5 is better for Luka so perfect world is he's a floor spacer when Luka is with him and he takes over at the 5 when Luka's not but he's proven he gets easily bothered by wing defenders in the post and doesn't really have any actual...you know...moves which is why when everything was on the line Rick put baby in the corner.

(06-10-2021, 12:08 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: You will give up some perimeter shots

(06-10-2021, 12:08 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: but here's the thing WE ALREADY DO.

(06-10-2021, 12:08 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs will do a lot better defending the paint and getting rebounds (offensive too) with a real center.