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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-09-2021
Wow so I missed this?
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/kemba-walker-trade-rumors-celtics/xpvb68kfjoxx1aiajpz1sjolf
This is pretty huge news...
I could see them paying Knicks or OKC to take Kemba into space so that Celtics would have a large exception. Another idea I saw was Pels trading Bledsoe + Adams for Kemba which is not a bad idea at all really.
Get ready for a lot of Mavs speculation as Mavs are one of the 3 teams mentioned the most.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 08:02 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I could see them paying Knicks or OKC to take Kemba into space so that Celtics would have a large exception. Another idea I saw was Pels trading Bledsoe + Adams for Kemba which is not a bad idea at all really.
Get ready for a lot of Mavs speculation as Mavs are one of the 3 teams mentioned the most.
I don´t think the Mavs are interested in it but we mentioned the plan 2024 approach. If that is an option the Mavs could absorb Walker as well. Just depends on the compensation (picks, young players).
Who am I kidding. The Mavs have never absorbed bad salary in exchange for assets. They won´t start now.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 09:43 AM)Kammrath Wrote: BINGO.
I am telling y'all, JC is the next "Brogdon" in the sense of someone who was underutilized and was just waiting to break out. Many didn't want Brogdon because in his smaller role in MIL they couldn't see clearly what he was. Same with JC.
JC has always been my number one for this offseason. Get it done.
I wouldn't say JC is underutilized as much as there are lots of mouths to feed there and his best offensive skill is PNR and that's also Capela's. So he gets less action there then he would typically get.
He dropped 4 its per game this year because he had someone competing for his best touches.
He'll go back to 21 points per game efficiently with alot of rebounds while here. Well worth the 25 mill or so it might take to sign him.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 01:04 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: Do you really believe Luka is a guy who doesn’t pass the ball to guys in their spots?
I can understand saying Luka is too high of usage for the secondary players to be at their best, but I cannot understand saying Luka doesn’t hit guys in their spots. When passes come from Luka they go in more often than from any other player I’ve ever seen.
Yes... Poorly phrased in this post tho.
Luka passes guys into their spots where he wants them to be and he passes them open by attracting the defense. It's really about where he wants them to be.
Of course when you are surrounded by shooters, those are going to lineup almost all the time. Not the case with bigs.
I mean we are nitpicking on Luka's game here for sure. But he needs to get better on entry passes in particular. It's not a matter of not being able to but working on timing and where to pass.Honestly it's probably less ability related and more of him making a conscious effort to be better here.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cjeter24 - 06-09-2021
Saw a trade idea of Powell SNT, Covington and 2023 first round pick from Portland for KP. I think Covington would be unlikely but Derrick Jones could make the $$ work.
Luka Powell/THJ DFS ? ?
Sign John Collins and find a place holder at center or maybe you can get Turner from Indy.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 09:01 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I don´t think the Mavs are interested in it but we mentioned the plan 2024 approach. If that is an option the Mavs could absorb Walker as well. Just depends on the compensation (picks, young players).
Who am I kidding. The Mavs have never absorbed bad salary in exchange for assets. They won´t start now.
I don't think Celtics would offer any assets in a Dallas deal. In my view they would give up assets in an OKC or NYK deal if they were able to trade Kemba for space, thereby creating a large trade exception which can be very useful.
In a Dallas deal there are two avenues:
- KP + Burke for salary matching
- JRich, Powell, Burke, Maxi for salary matching
Mavs operate over the cap, resign THJ, pick up WCS' option, keep Boban, still have Brunson, probably offer JJR a 1 year deal and have the full MLE to get someone likely a big are large wing.
It feels like Celtics people aren't real into KP so they might actually prefer rotation guys that can then be moved later on. All the guys Mavs would send in that second deal are movable pieces and useful.
For the Mavs you would have Luka, Kemba, DFS, KP + MLE (Batum?), Brunson, THJ to round out your top 7 as well as the BAE for another above vet min guy. It's not my favorite avenue but you basically get Kemba for guys that didn't help you a whole lot in the playoffs.
If Mavs did get Kemba its basically a 1 year experiment. If he doesn't work he becomes salary matching for another deal the next year.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-09-2021
I think Mavs can do better than a Kemba deal so I am out on it unless Celtics want to add picks to the deal.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - DallasBasketball - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 09:19 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Yes... Poorly phrased in this post tho.
Luka passes guys into their spots where he wants them to be and he passes them open by attracting the defense. It's really about where he wants them to be.
Of course when you are surrounded by shooters, those are going to lineup almost all the time. Not the case with bigs.
I mean we are nitpicking on Luka's game here for sure. But he needs to get better on entry passes in particular. It's not a matter of not being able to but working on timing and where to pass.Honestly it's probably less ability related and more of him making a conscious effort to be better here.
I was surprised by the # of heroic entry passes he tried to make to Boban in the PO’s.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 10:22 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: I was surprised by the # of heroic entry passes he tried to make to Boban in the PO’s.
Those passes made me nuts. I wonder how many turnovers we had trying to force-feed Boban in the post.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 10:09 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think Mavs can do better than a Kemba deal so I am out on it unless Celtics want to add picks to the deal.
Let me ask it differently. Given that the Mavs will not trade Porzingis for future assets, young players with upside or cap relief, which veteran player talent do you think would be available to them?
To me it comes down to Horford and Kemba.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 06-09-2021
(06-09-2021, 10:28 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Those passes made me nuts. I wonder how many turnovers we had trying to force-feed Boban in the post.
Amen to that. The Clippers jumped that lane multiple times, and then people complained Luka was too selfish. I wish. I bet 70-80% of turnovers in the last three games involved Boban. Everybody loves Boban as a human being, but he really was not that good. He was just better than Porzingis. The way he missed tip-in after tip-in would have made the brickhand HOFers Dampier and DoJo proud. Also keep the ball above your head. To be fair he probably gets fouled on all these possessions, but since NBA refs don´t call small on big crimes, it´s a useless advantage to be that much bigger.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 06-10-2021
(06-09-2021, 11:10 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Let me ask it differently. Given that the Mavs will not trade Porzingis for future assets, young players with upside or cap relief, which veteran player talent do you think would be available to them?
To me it comes down to Horford and Kemba.
Then you don't trade him. Unless the medical staff think he has permanently lost his mobility, or the locker room is unsalvageable you don't trade him for that kind of return.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - KillerLeft - 06-10-2021
(06-10-2021, 12:43 AM)mvossman Wrote: Then you don't trade him. Unless the medical staff think he has permanently lost his mobility, or the locker room is unsalvageable you don't trade him for that kind of return.
Agreed.
And THAT's why I believe the summer will tell us a lot about Mr. Porzingis.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - RedFlag41 - 06-10-2021
What about a Kemba for Powell, Maxi, Jrich, Brunson trade?
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Branduil - 06-10-2021
So, I haven't been the biggest fan of getting Rubio, but I'd certainly take his contract over Ball. Going back to the Collins idea, Assuming we traded Maxi in the deal, we'd only have enough cap space for THJ left. If we can't find a good trade for KP, how about this?
T-WOLVES GET
Powell
Burke
MAVS GET
Rubio
The Wolves get a good culture guy who would fit well with Towns- the Mavs could point to the Dwight/KP numbers from 2020. The Mavs get someone who can run the bench squad and let Brunson play SG.
Luka / Rubio
THJ / Brunson
DFS / Green
Collins / Bey
KP / WCS
Rubio would also be a very large expiring who could potentially be packaged with KP in a trade deadline deal.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Aussiebballer - 06-10-2021
One interesting thing of note is that now that the Mavs have been eliminated I believe they can do trades with the other teams not still in the playoffs.
So a trade could happen at any time.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-10-2021
(06-10-2021, 01:23 AM)RedFlag41 Wrote: What about a Kemba for Powell, Maxi, Jrich, Brunson trade?
No way I'd include Brunson in that. We were kicking around just compiling contracts for Kemba but even then I don't really like it. Certainly wouldn't include Brunson who is an actual asset.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-10-2021
(06-09-2021, 11:10 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Let me ask it differently. Given that the Mavs will not trade Porzingis for future assets, young players with upside or cap relief, which veteran player talent do you think would be available to them?
To me it comes down to Horford and Kemba.
I am starting to lose faith that the Mavs can trade KP. If Mavs have a public divorce similar to this Kemba story and KP is in true dump territory, I would rather have Horford honestly. Kemba is injured all the time and a defensively liability. He and Luka would have great offensive chemistry. With Horford he would be great as the starting 5 in Rick's system. I still don't really like a Horford deal if Mavs don't get any picks out of it.
I still have thought this hole time a Wiggins/pick deal will be on the table. We will see. I just think Kemba for KP is really bad return for KP unless Mavs receive picks (which I don't think they will).
If Mavs truly can only get trash offers for KP I would rather keep him a little bit longer to try to raise his value.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 06-10-2021
(06-10-2021, 03:34 AM)Branduil Wrote: So, I haven't been the biggest fan of getting Rubio, but I'd certainly take his contract over Ball. Going back to the Collins idea, Assuming we traded Maxi in the deal, we'd only have enough cap space for THJ left. If we can't find a good trade for KP, how about this?
T-WOLVES GET
Powell
Burke
MAVS GET
Rubio
The Wolves get a good culture guy who would fit well with Towns- the Mavs could point to the Dwight/KP numbers from 2020. The Mavs get someone who can run the bench squad and let Brunson play SG.
Luka / Rubio
THJ / Brunson
DFS / Green
Collins / Bey
KP / WCS
Rubio would also be a very large expiring who could potentially be packaged with KP in a trade deadline deal.
So to sum up the Wolves take on more long-term money and get far worse players in the deal, because Powell is a veteran leader? Leader of what, where and whom?
Ricky Rubio just LED the Spanish national team to a World Championship Gold medal in 2019, earning tournament and finals MVP. Besides being a much better basketball player, I´d say he also qualifies as a much better leader.
The Wolves also have Naz Reid, who already contrubutes on a higher level than Powell at age 21 on a minimum contract.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - omahen - 06-10-2021
It would be difficult to improve this team without moving KP. Hollinger/Duncan think his value is extremely low but I like the move to SA for White idea, that was already floated around here. Although we were hoping assets would be coming our way, not the other way around Hollinger/Duncan think. We would get a solid guard starter and enough cap space to resign THJ and bring 2 solid starters at PF and C. Of course the plan depends on actually getting Holmes who is the only decent UFA center and where Charlotte might have something to say about. Next best thing on the UFA center list is probably Theiss - I like the guy but he is a steep drop off.
Charlotte (Rozier or Graham) and Orlando (Harris+WCJ) ideas are very similar.
I don't think KP contract is nearly as equaly bad as Kemba one, so I would never consider it without significant assets going our way. He is way older, same injury liability, higher yearly number taking away more of our cap space, doesn't play defense. The only advantage is one year shorter contract.