(06-06-2021, 08:45 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Agreed. I'm not sure of the fit with KP tho and frankly I still prefer KP to Turner overall. We definitely need defense more than offense but its a decent step down in offense between the 2 and Turner isn't a good rebounder either. 

(06-06-2021, 09:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think you could turnover most of this roster. Guys do have value with KP being the biggest trade chip. THJ is a tough call for me. He didn't show up when we really need him to. I worry locking him up with just lock us into mediocrity.

(06-06-2021, 09:30 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: I'm generally not a fan of the dump KP for a non upgrade

(06-06-2021, 09:30 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: I'm generally not a fan of the dump KP for a non upgrade... But a trade I think would make a ton of sense is sending KP to New Orleans for a couple of 1sts. And you can get some useful players back that I think they would gladly part with. 

Adams and Bledsoe are both good defenders. Not the best offensive fits but both have their uses there too. 
I think KP and Zion are a really great offensive fit together and would play nicely off each other. 

But New Orleans has all the 1sts and I'm sure they are looking to improve as well. 
Mavs get a 2023 1st included in that deal? That opens up the 2022, 2024, and 2026 draft picks to be traded post draft night. 4 1st round draft picks? That sounds like a start to a great trade package. 

Include Powell in the deal and Bledsoe coming back and you'd save another ~7 mill in cap space next summer Bledsoe has a partially guaranteed deal. You'll clear up a sizable portion of cap space next summer which allows you to make moves this summer and have cap space next summer. 

You'd be a Steven Adams salary dump away from having the ability to only have Luka's new deal + Burke + Bledsoe's ~4 mill guaranteed as the only money on your cap. Pencil in how much $ you want for next summer and spend the rest this summer. With the ability to trade picks again, it wouldn't be hard to trade Adams to someone next summer if needed for someone like Lavine or Beal if that were somehow to come to fruition. 

Fill in the trade concept with any of their young guys instead of 2 1sts or whatever combo to make it work for you. But the basic premise is get 2023 pick, which gives you 2 additional 1sts, plus guys who can contribute now and fill needs for the team to make you better now. 

TLDR: Trade those now usable 1sts for whatever "star" is available, plus sign the best player I can this summer and next summer.

(06-06-2021, 09:26 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: With THJ, it's a matter of signing him to his market value so that you can trade if needed later to improve the team, or making sure you have some sort of bird in the hand before letting him go. Of course, the MBT way is to let him walk and fail to replace him adequately.

(06-06-2021, 09:26 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: "With KP" is a pretty absolute moot issue right now. He's as gone as Rondo after his playoffs here was. I'll take Turner way the hell over KP given the differences in their contracts, expectations, and strengths. Turner is a stretch and D center who can be counted on to do both very consistently, whereas KP might be a unicorn again one day but brings pretty little today. Both have significant injury issues, but it's the difference between a guy you just assume to be out sometimes vs. a guy whose next injury could turn him into John Wall without the comeback.

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With THJ, it's a matter of signing him to his market value so that you can trade if needed later to improve the team, or making sure you have some sort of bird in the hand before letting him go. Of course, the MBT way is to let him walk and fail to replace him adequately.

(06-06-2021, 08:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If I were running this team, there would be a lot I'd want to do with the roster right now, but adding a potential DPOY at center would be pretty damn high on my list.

(06-06-2021, 09:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Turner can shoot 3s but it's such a massive drop off on offense. The offensive difference between the 2 is almost as wide as the defensive difference between the 2. And that's with KP struggling to fit here. If you improve the roster, I think KP does better here. Turner has zero upside offensively. 

(06-06-2021, 09:39 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: The list I have is Turner, Robinson, Holmes as main targets. I have concerns ab almost any center getting exposed by small ball lineups in the playoffs though.

(06-06-2021, 09:44 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Turner can set picks

(06-06-2021, 09:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I literally think this exact roster, without KP, would be more consistent and less burdened by crap they have to deal with, and therefore better. And I KNOW the cap would less depressing without him.

(06-06-2021, 09:54 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: I'm not attached to anyone on the roster except Luka and DFS

(06-06-2021, 09:46 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Brunson

(06-06-2021, 09:59 PM)Kammrath Wrote: We learned this series how incredibly expendable JB needs to be moving forward. I love the guy, but he needs to be trade bait if he can help bring back a starter.

(06-06-2021, 09:59 PM)Kammrath Wrote: We learned this series how incredibly expendable JB needs to be moving forward. I love the guy, but he needs to be trade bait if he can help bring back a starter.

(06-06-2021, 09:59 PM)Kammrath Wrote: We learned this series how incredibly expendable JB needs to be moving forward. I love the guy, but he needs to be trade bait if he can help bring back a starter.

(06-06-2021, 10:00 PM)cow Wrote: Don't be married to anyone not named Luka.  I'm one of the biggest Dorian fans but if you can upgrade, upgrade.  Just remember every time DFS drove to pass turnover versus the Clippers.  And he was our second best player.

(06-06-2021, 09:38 PM)cow Wrote: Never been a massive fan of Adams or his contract, but after our center play and atrocious rebounding, I don't hate the idea.  I don't think you are getting multiple FRPs for KP though.  Luka, KP, Carlisle and KP's legs have tanked his value.

(06-06-2021, 10:00 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Yes, but it's got to be a real starter. No Delon Richardsons, please.

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I think DFS's defense and team intangibles make it such that he's very hard to upgrade. I've already published my list of guys I would trade him for.

(06-06-2021, 10:04 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: They are crappy 1sts and they have a ton of them. And they get out from under some bad contracts as well. 
KP is immediately their 3rd best player. If I'm in a spot to trade some likely late firsts when I have a bunch of them for a guy who gives you an efficient 20 ppg as my 3rd best guy? I'm all over that deal. 

Look at it from this angle... How many teams do you think trade any 1st for KP? Any team that has one and can take on his contract with salary matching is my answer. An extra bad 1st is the "clincher". That's exactly how Portland got Covington.