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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 12:13 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Harris was a good prospect but injuries seem to have ruined his career. It´s totally possible, but it´s a big expiring contract, so the risk is minimal. At leats he´s shooting the best 3pt/FT percentage since 2018 in Orlando. Still only 26 years old. Maybe you can get him healthy. It´s also pretty amazing that he was still +3.4 +3.9 +3.7 on/off in Denver for the last three years. I´m mainly looking for ways to free up more capspace for 2022. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Hypermav - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 12:24 PM)Tunesquad23 Wrote: How about Jonathan Isaac? Perfect RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - SleepingHero - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 12:10 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Wonder whether they´d be interested in Powell/Richardson/Terry for Harris. I think you're vastly overrating Harris. Not a bad trade idea, but I think he can be had for almost nothing. So I wouldn't trade Powell there. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - SleepingHero - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 12:24 PM)Tunesquad23 Wrote: How about Jonathan Isaac? I always find it somewhat funny when people mention Isaac. I love the idea of Issac. He's like Andre Kerlinko reborn with worse shooting. But the dude cannot stay healthy. We think Porzingis is bad? Here's Isaac's first 4 years. Rookie year- 27/82: Was out with numerous ankle injuries that ruined his first year. 2nd year: 75/82: Had 2 injuries, a sore right ankle and a back strain. This is the year everyone fell in love with him 3rd year: 34/74- Bubble year. He was out initially with a PCL strain and a bone bruise in his left knee that kept him out the majority of the year. Then he came back and tore his ACL in his left knee in the bubble. 4th year- didn't play. Of 310 games that Isaac could have played in, he's only played in 136. That works out to 43%. Meaning he's been unavailable 56% of the time in his short career. Can he suddenly become healthy and a long career? Maybe. I won't rule it out. Do we really want to risk the assets it'd take on that? RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 11:42 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Whst is it you think is in any way realistic in getting Simmons here? Morey didn’t trade him for James freakin Hardin. "not with the current assets but under the cap" I think you missed something important. Not possible to build something like this in one offseason. More about the perfect blue print for a Luka lead roster under the current cap rules. Two high volume/efficiency 3-point shooters (combine for 40m). In a perfect world both can defend or have some playmaking ability. One max player that can run the offense as the main ballhandler, can play the two-man game with Luka, can defend. Cheap defensive minded big that can set screens and do the dirty work. 40m for two wings + 70m for two max guys (Luka + x) + cheap big. Exceptions, rookie contracts and vet mins to fill out the bench. I picked Simmons because I really like his fit next to Luka. Also because some 76ers fans and according to the rumors also some guys in the front office aren´t happy with him. They want a real PG with better half court creation. The 76ers are building around Embiid and even though they had more success it´s still a questionable fit. When Embiid is getting the ball in the paint (that´s what they are trying to do) Simmons has no role on offense. I think Simmons leaving Philly in a trade for a PG (Lillard?) is one of the more likely scenarios. Maybe not this year but within the next 2-3 years. Mavs obviously lack assets right now but after the draft they could offer a decent package of picks, pick swaps and the more valuable role players (Brunson, DFS, Kleber). RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-05-2021 Simmons for Lillard could definitely happen but no Mavs angle really. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 01:19 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: "not with the current assets but under the cap"How realistic with cap room is it that we get Simmons (not to mention how are we getting DR realistically in the near future also). Also, any starting team with Luka that includes the word “perfect” does not have THJ in it. I’m out and about right now, but When I get home I’ll come up with a much more realistic and “perfect” Luka lead team. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 01:40 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: How realistic with cap room is it that we get Simmons (not to mention how are we getting DR realistically in the near future also). Also, any starting team with Luka that includes the word “perfect” does not have THJ in it. I’m out and about right now, but When I get home I’ll come up with a much more realistic and “perfect” Luka lead team. Somehow you don´t understand what the word blue print means or you simply want to start an argument for no reason. This is not about one single player. More about the skill set they offer. Can easily replace them with guys that do similar things. Maybe it is a rookie that isn´t even in the league right now. But please entertain me with your much more realistic and "perfect" team. You obviously are the smartest guy in the room and other opinions aren´t valid. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 01:53 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Somehow you don´t understand what the word blue print means or you simply want to start an argument for no reason. This is not about one single player. More about the skill set they offer. Can easily replace them with guys that do similar things. Maybe it is a rookie that isn´t even in the league right now. But please entertain me with your much more realistic and "perfect" team. You obviously are the smartest guy in the room and other opinions aren´t valid.I mostly have a problem with people who put THJ in any starting unit with Luka. Adding the word perfect to that got my blood boiling and I attacked, I’m sorry for that. As far as blueprint, Luka with a bunch of TWO way players with varying skillset strengths with no big egos is IMO the “perfect” way to go. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Scott41theMavs - 06-05-2021 (06-04-2021, 07:48 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Give it one more year option: LOL RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 06-05-2021 So I finally got home and at my computer. Much easier typing on a keyboard and researching than a phone. Again, sorry for the attack, I just saw the premise of the proposal as typed and then saw the names on the starting 5 and with there being no mention of blueprint (which would make sense if you named skillsets as opposed to players) and thought I've seen more thought out posts from you (mostly opposite my opinion lately). So let's start again. I think the inclusion of THJ, Simmons and Theis are all pretty far off (some much more than others) and seems very disjointed to me. I don't have much of an opinion on Duncan Robinson since I haven't seen him play enough, so I leave him out of this. However, it almost seems like you're using a shopping list of skillsets and trying to figure out guys who fit those traits, in sizes that make court sense. I get that as a basis if that is your basis. Luka Two way guard (PG or SG or tweener type doesn't matter, preferrably 6'2"-6'5") - mostly defensive who can guard the most likely point of attack but can also dribble in extreme traffic and distribute a little, or catches the distribution bug from Luka when he gets here. This is the most realistic spot to get these traits from cause there are more of these types to choose from, however, if we can realistically get some of these traits somewhere else, this player can be more of an outside shooter type that guards the waterbugs. Prototype: Malcolm Brogdon Other examples: Marcus Smart, Bogdan Bogdanovich, Terry Rozier, Devonte Graham, Terance Mann, Derrick White to name a few. Older perfect examples: Jimmy Butler, *Jrue Holiday Two way medium sized wing (6'5"-6'9" guy) - Swiss army knife on defense and offense. Should be able to drive a bit in light traffic and shoot from the outside. Prototype: *Kawhi Leonard, but more realistic Robert Covington Other examples: *Jaylen Brown, OG Anunoby, *Jerami Grant to name a few This one's hard cause the ones that are best fits would be extremely hard to get. Only realistic way is if Tor or Por blows it up. Two way big wing (6'7"-6'10) - Help defender, can be the vocal defensive leader if the C isn't that. Has at least a catch and shoot 3 shot, if not other skills. Should be a big body if that isn't what you have at C. Prototype: Pascal Siakam Other examples: *Julius Randle, Christian Wood, Tobias Harris, *Patrick Williams, John Collins (if there is enough defense around him and Luka) to name a few. Center (6'10"-7'0") - Shot blocker, pick and roller, has some post up skill, should be the eyes and ears of the defense, having a passable 3 shot would be great, also would be great to be able to guard the perimeter. Prototype: *Bam Adebayo, but more realistic Myles Turner Other examples: *Wendell Carter Jr, *Clint Capela to name a couple more. * - not really realistic targets to date, but that's the type of player you want. I get that you also have to be wary of salary too. I would contend that spending a vast majority on the full 5 starting group would do wonders for our team, as long as the contracts match the on court value or is better. I would take 5 guys at $100M as long as they're worth the money, then fill in the other spots with ring chasers at vet min and MLE type contracts. The best way to get a top starting 5 is to identify rookie scale contract guys that should have the skillsets mentioned above but need a change of scenery to get going. WCJ would have been great to get at the TDL. Turner has been rumored to be gettable for the last 2-3 years. That way you can spend more in the other positions, like the medium sized wing spot that has a good amount of options, but when they're good at that spot, they're expensive. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-05-2021 @"ItsGoTime". Let me say it like this. Even if you spend all available cap on the starting five it´s not enough to pay five max players. Three max players and cheap role players. Two max players and two good starters (20m each). One max player and a deeper roster. Of course I would prefer some of the mentioned names but getting the perfect two-way player for every single position is nearly impossible. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 06-05-2021 (06-05-2021, 06:06 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: @"ItsGoTime". Let me say it like this. Even if you spend all available cap on the starting five it´s not enough to pay five max players. Three max players and cheap role players. Two max players and two good starters (20m each). One max player and a deeper roster. Of course I would prefer some of the mentioned names but getting the perfect two-way player for every single position is nearly impossible.That's the blueprint for each position. You make sacrifices or get underdeveloped lesser paid players that have these skillsets after you get what you need in other spots at the higher salary. If you have 1 player set, the blueprint is pretty open-ended. Also, not all the players were max guys. Not even the prototypes. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 06-05-2021 4 $20M players and 1 $30M gets you to the cap. Luka currently allows us to get most of those guys in place. We have 1 more year to do so. We also don't have to have the "perfect" starting 5 in order to win a championship. If we have a 2-3 of the perfect guys and DFS, we're good. Use the extra money on a good bench piece, like hey...THJ! RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 06-05-2021 Now that THJ's value has sunk back down to earth I have gone back to thinking Mavs will operate under the cap in order to get a 2nd impact player in the 15-17 million dollar range. There just aren't a lot of playmakers in FA that make sense to me for that range. That makes me think Mavs will get a guy through trade (KP or otherwise) to get a playmaker. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - RedFlag41 - 06-05-2021 This is what I think the Mavs can do this off season: 1. Trade KP for Nurkic and RoCo; 2. Resign THJ for 2OM/year for 3 years; 3. Trade JRich & JGreen for Malik Beasley; 4. Sign Dragic for MLE. Potential Roster: Starters: PG Luka SG THJ SF DFS PF RoCo C Nurkic Bench: PG Dragic SG Beasley SF (THJ plays back minutes) PF Maxi C Powell Third Strings: PG JB SG Burke SF (BAE player) PF (Melli minimum) C Bobi/WCS RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Branduil - 06-05-2021 I joked in the other thread but if the Bucks flame out again maybe we really should try for KP+THJ for Middleton+Lopez. The Bucks really need shooters around Giannis. Lopez has been good for them but he's getting older and his 3PT shot has declined. KP(in theory) should be a perfect fit for them, as would THJ. The Mavs, OTOH, would get a guy who can be your #2 in the playoffs. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo - 06-06-2021 (06-05-2021, 05:51 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Two way medium sized wing (6'5"-6'9" guy) - Swiss army knife on defense and offense. Should be able to drive a bit in light traffic and shoot from the outside. I have always thought Jerami Grant would be one of the best fitting pieces for a Luka led team. And there may be some possible ways to get him. Grant is 27, doesn't really fit the time line for Detroit. He'd be the main guy manning the fort until they Pistons get better. And they won't be after a long while. What's the difference between a 25 year old oft injured primary option? Grant is who he is, but KP still holds promise, if anything, barring injuries, Detroit might yet build up his value being the number 1 option, scoring 25PPG albeit in losing seasons. Now if KP gets injured or wants to diva-it-out, then their picks will only get higher. KP for Grant+Plumlee Now, if Detroit wants young players, then.. Bertrans+Bryant+Advija might entice them If Detroit wants a pick, then.. Wiggins+Minny pick Mavs would look something like this: F Grant/DFS F Lauri/Maxi/Bey C Plumlee/DP/WCS G Derozan/Green/Burke G Luka/Brunson/Terry or F DFS/Bey F Grant/Maxi C Holmes/Plumlee/DP G THJ/Green/Burke G Luka/Brunson/Terry RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - SleepingHero - 06-06-2021 (06-06-2021, 01:14 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: I have always thought Jerami Grant would be one of the best fitting pieces for a Luka led team. I think you're onto something with the Grant idea. He's that 6'8 switchable forward that can create for himself on offense. My one concern would him getting swallowed up in the Luka stardom and reverting back to his pre Pistons days where he was nothing more than a 4th option kinda like we're seeing with KP now. I do also wonder if the Pistons would include Bey in any deal. Getting 2 forwards for KP would be a big return. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - DanSchwartzgan - 06-06-2021 (06-05-2021, 10:32 PM)RedFlag41 Wrote: Lillard, McCollum and N. Powell couldn't make the RoCo/Nurkic C/PF combo work. Is the combined talent of Luka/THJ and DFS dramatically better than Lillard, McCollum and Powell? That feels like a first round exit again. |