(05-29-2021, 09:01 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: If you were able to get Lauri for J Rich then Lauri fills the need at the 5 and you have MLE to focus on a ball-mover (Dragic).

Luka/Dragic
THJ/Brunson
Wiggins/Green
Maxi/DFS
Lauri/Powell/WCS

+ Minney drafted player somewhere

Rick would have to figure out who to start/rotations once again. Its hard to sit Wiggins, DFS or THJ (especially after he gets a big contract). As good as DFS is you could probably put Maxi in the lineup for DFS and still give DFS a lot of minutes off the bench.

(05-29-2021, 09:01 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: If you were able to get Lauri for J Rich then Lauri fills the need at the 5 and you have MLE to focus on a ball-mover (Dragic).

Luka/Dragic
THJ/Brunson
Wiggins/Green
Maxi/DFS
Lauri/Powell/WCS

+ Minney drafted player somewhere

Rick would have to figure out who to start/rotations once again. Its hard to sit Wiggins, DFS or THJ (especially after he gets a big contract). As good as DFS is you could probably put Maxi in the lineup for DFS and still give DFS a lot of minutes off the bench.

(05-29-2021, 09:51 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: CHI: Brunson, Wiggins, MIN 1st

GSW: KP

DAL: Lavine and Markkanen 

J Rich to Miami for Dragic. MLE on Theis

Luka/Lavine/DFS/Maxi/Theis

Bench of Dragic/THJ/Markkanen with some WCS-DP plus Green peppered in

(05-29-2021, 10:19 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: who straight-up can't play basketball anymore.

(05-28-2021, 11:34 PM)DrMav Wrote: I don’t like Lauri, but I love Lavine and would make that trade everyday and twice on Sundays.

(05-29-2021, 10:53 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I think the key is guys that can score unassisted.

(05-29-2021, 10:56 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I agree that they have too many guys that can score on the pass and that we need more players that can score unassisted, but we also need someone else that can distribute since we already have so many assisted scorers.

(05-29-2021, 03:12 AM)JamesConway Wrote: I’ll hold back until the end of the series but the outcome will be the deciding factor for me on multiple fronts.

GM
coach
KP
THjr 

Right now GM is obviously the first to go. The KP mess, lack of both oncourt help AND assets remain gigantic problems.

The coach has pulled out two wins but we’re looking at a decade of missing the playoffs and/or getting bounced in the first round. I’m all in favor of firing him if we loose this series. Results matter. 

KP: yikes. The meniscus thing destroyed him, he’s not nearly the same anymore compared to the guy who used to live at the line in the bubble. It’s looking brutal right now.  Probably time to cut losses. What a disappointment. 

THjr: he has done everything (on and off the court) right since coming here. It will come down to the money but I guess $15-20M is his fair market. If we can keep him for that I’d do it. 

(05-29-2021, 11:40 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Zach Lavine feels both of those needs as he is averaging 5 assist a game. He is the perfect guy to put next to Luka and would be insane given the attention Luka gets. 

Watch this highlight and ask yourself what would this guy do with Luka setting him up: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLKtZsHAGT4

(05-29-2021, 11:55 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think the ship has sailed on a Lavine trade, at least for the assets we have. Him being a young all star makes him pretty untouchable with our assets, IMO. The time to have pulled that trigger would have been a KP fresh off his all bubble performance. I'd love to be wrong and KP being in their vision going forward, I just can't see why he would be. Only way it works is if he demanded a trade to here and only here and they see him as a PF, or they trade Vuc as well.

Two more things, Lavine for KP has us giving them a lot more. I'm thinking JB and possibly DFS, they just traded OPJ away. I also would be very against LM coming here if we got Lavine from them. Not enough defense. Man, if only we could have done a WCJ and Lavine deal last summer.

(05-29-2021, 12:01 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Asking price is always lower when someone forces their way out and the market for star trades is going to be terrible for a year or 2 due to the lack of first round picks available on good teams.

(05-29-2021, 11:42 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: I still won't understand why everyone gripes at RC about not winning a playoff series in 10 years despite being massive underdogs in every series. 

The first half of those 10 years is all on Cuban. And he'll even admit that. The rebuild started when we started tanking and I've been very happy with what we have done. KP has been a massive miss as the second star but he's still a good player. He deserves the hate for the way he's played at times but scoring 20 ppg efficiently is good. It's clear he's not a star tho and I doubt he ever gets there with Luka. Maybe he never gets to the bubble form where he looked like a star. That sucks. But I've been saying for a long time, I don't think KP has the ceiling of a true #2. He's a 3 because he can't do anything himself and can't score in the post as a big.

(05-29-2021, 12:01 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: I think if Lavine does wind up on the Mavs it's because he asks to be traded before FA or he walks as a FA. 
Asking price is always lower when someone forces their way out and the market for star trades is going to be terrible for a year or 2 due to the lack of first round picks available on good teams. The only playoff team to have extra 1st rounders is the Knicks I believe. So if the Knicks aren't in on you... There's not a large market. Granted I think the Knicks are going to be in on everyone this summer. I could see them trying to trade those for someone big named and sign someone in FA.

(05-29-2021, 12:09 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: I think this is where I am at with him too.  Unless...he is bluffing and gets to a team he likes and switches to another gear he refused to use here in Dallas.

But...my issues with KP(and I am a big KP supporter here)...he cant seem to dominate around the rim offensively.   With his size and reasonable quickness and athleticism...we should get more from him but dont.   Like someone posted in another thread about Dirk saying KP just doesnt have the skills/tools/moves/fundamentals/whatever to take advantage of even mismatches around the rim.   Every time he puts the ball on the floor I feel it is going to get ripped.   When they pass it to him in the post...teams know to send a wildcatter around the blindside and rip it from him.  This happens so much I cant believe KP doesnt expect it to happen to help prevent it from happening.

KP was disappointing last night on defense with only 2 fouls and half the 4th quarter was over...he had plenty of fouls to give so he could have played aggressively and I didnt see it.   I still think his defense can get there and wouldnt be surprised if he goes to a team he likes and his defense all the sudden is more solid.

My opinion on players like KP...and I dont fault the Mavs for going after him if the value seemed to be there...I would just avoid them.  Unicorn implies that he is some sort of freak that may or may not be good at basketball.   I want basketball first guys...not potential Unicorns or Unicorns that may have potential.

Basketball is a game of skill...especially now a days.   There might be another Shaq that comes around that can dominate while having little to no skill other than dominating the paint...but I would pursue basketball players.   Guys that know how to dribble, pass and dont have ugly shot mechanics.   Also...guys that seem to have a feel for the game.   I dont want players that look like they have only been playing basketball for 2 years....I want guys that perform on the court like they were born with a basketball in their hands.  It seems so simple to me...but I dont work in a front office.

You cant have slow footed guys in todays NBA.   You need guys that can jump quickly.   Guys that can put the ball on the floor but know how to protect it when they do...even in the paint.   Your front court players(Center especially) need to be able to defend...bottom line.  Avoid all guys that arent basketball players first.

(05-29-2021, 11:55 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: The problem with trading him for a bag of chips in order to get him off the team is the stuff he does do, isn't easily replaceable and certainly not with zero assets. 

(05-29-2021, 12:48 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Lavine sold his house in Chciago. It was on the market since 2019. I´m no American/Chicago real estate expert, but I assume the pandemic/economic crisis is not the best time to sell high on the property. Seems a pretty telling move imho. He´s ready to move on.

(05-29-2021, 01:04 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Trade him for a bag of chips and sign Lauri for less than half the money.  He's a better shooter than KP and equally shitty on defense.