(12-27-2020, 02:35 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: I think Lavine can be a really good defender with the right coach. He has all world athleticism and he's long. I don't really think you can gauge a players defense accurately when they are on a bad team.  Bad teams can have toxic environments. The competition isn't the same. I'm not saying for sure he would be a great defender, but it's definitely possible if he wants to become one.

(12-27-2020, 02:43 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: I like what I've seen so far from Victor Oladipo and Myles Turner.  It appears Oladipo is wanting out of Indiana and the Pacers would love to get an asset from another team.  Of course, that team would take on a risk because Oladipo could bolt this summer.  The Pacers have been shopping Myles Turner for months now.  Could we package expiring contracts in Tim Hardaway Jr, James Johnson, Tyrell Terry (young asset), and future 1st round pick for Oladipo and Turner?  The fact that we're a Western Conference team helps our case as well.  Assuming the trade goes through, how does this roster look?

Luka
Oladipo
JRich
Turner
KP

Brunson
Burke
DFS
Kleber
Powell

Green, WCS, Boban, Iwundu rounding out the bench.  Hinton and Bey are our two-way players

I love the versatility and youth of that team.  When KP needs to rest on a 2nd night of a back-to-back...you bring DFS and move him to the PF position and slide Myles Turner to C.  The question is...can Turner and KP play together?  I say yes.

(12-27-2020, 02:43 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Lavine has the straight line speed and the vertical. Don´t think he has elite lateral quickness. Not to mention that defense is more about positioning, timing and overall bball IQ.

(12-27-2020, 02:43 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: The question is...can Turner and KP play together?

(12-27-2020, 02:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Those who said Gobert + KP would NOT work defensively must then 100% say that Turner + KP would NOT work defensively. 

Turner is NOT a good defender, he is solid but not good......Gobert is ELITE and people thought he wouldn't work next to KP.

So the "anti-Gobert" crowd needs to be STRONGLY "anti-Turner" unless they are unthinking hypocrites.

(12-27-2020, 02:26 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If we're trying to be better, why would we compare our current team to our potential team?

(12-27-2020, 02:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: In other words, the thought I put out there is regardless of what we have today. I think we need 3 + defending starters, we have 2 right now. We shouldn't be comparing our team to ourselves. W eshould be comparing our team to the contenders.

(12-27-2020, 02:52 PM)Kammrath Wrote: And I am fine with the Mavs making a calculated risk on Dipo+Turner if Dipo shows enough bounce back....

....I am just wanting people to be consistent in their positions and arguments. I got all sorts of crap for thinking Gobert COULD work....and yet people are so eager to dump TONS of money into Dipo+Turner who would BOTH be more risky and questionable fits than Gobert.

(12-27-2020, 02:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 4 great individual defenders can still play horrible team defense with the wrong scheme. Multiple bad defenders can still play good defense with a good  scheme and/or a great defensive anchor.

(12-27-2020, 02:50 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Kamm I love your passion for Gobert. I'm definitely NOT pro Turner only trade. I would take him and Dipo to get Dipo and take a flyer on Turner. I wouldn't give up assets for Turner only. I think Gobert is a excellent player and I'm not sure about his fit with KP. I don't have strong feelings either way.

(12-27-2020, 02:43 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: I like what I've seen so far from Victor Oladipo and Myles Turner.  It appears Oladipo is wanting out of Indiana and the Pacers would love to get an asset from another team.  Of course, that team would take on a risk because Oladipo could bolt this summer.  The Pacers have been shopping Myles Turner for months now.  Could we package expiring contracts in Tim Hardaway Jr, James Johnson, Tyrell Terry (young asset), and future 1st round pick for Oladipo and Turner?  The fact that we're a Western Conference team helps our case as well.  Assuming the trade goes through, how does this roster look?

(12-27-2020, 02:59 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Very much this.

Team defense requires a sort of "hive mind" where all five guys play like one organism. It requires incredible effort and trust.

(12-27-2020, 02:51 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: might as well get players that can be good at offense.

(12-27-2020, 02:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I don´t think it is as easy. 4 great individual defenders can still play horrible team defense with the wrong scheme. Multiple bad defenders can still play good defense with a good  scheme and/or a great defensive anchor.
Good example would be the Heat. Even without Butler or Adebayo. Running lineups with Robinson, Herro, Dragic and Olynyk. They played great defense.
Bad example would be the Clippers vs the Mavs in the playoffs. PG, Kawhi, PatBev, Morris. All good defenders but they never played as a unit and couldn´t stop the Mavs.

Personally I think that the Mavs still need a glue guy. A veteran player that calls out plays, switches and rotations and/or a great help defender that can cover a lot of ground.
Right now the Mavs have Richardson (good on ball defender), DFS (slightly above average on ball defender), Maxi (versatile onball defender, good help defender), KP (elite rim protector) as high minute players that can make an impact on defense. They don´t have a Smart, RoCo, Draymond, Gobert or even a vet like CP3 or Lowry.

(12-27-2020, 03:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: This is a mentality that gives us Dirk's career.

(12-27-2020, 08:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Zach Lavine would be a top 10 player to ever play with Dirk. So I guess the Mavs would be doing something right by getting him.

(12-28-2020, 03:37 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I'm not arguing gettting 1 of the 2 to start for our team, I'm arguing getting both players to start. Get me Lavine and Gordon or Turner then I'm in love and believe they could sustain a deep playoff run. Get me Lauri and another defensive minded creator like Smart and I'll think the same.

(12-28-2020, 03:50 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: If we find a trade that nets us Lavine/Markkanen without touching Doncic, Richardson, DFS and Porzingis, I´ll worry about the rest later.

(12-28-2020, 04:27 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: First, I don't think that trade exists, but what if it does while requiring DFS?

(12-28-2020, 04:31 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: I really hate to lose Dorian.

I´d have to see the trade in detail, but I wouldn´t do Kleber, DFS, Brunson, Green, Terry and a 1st. Then they can keep Markkanen and we just take Lavine. Luckily they have Patrick Williams already, so they´d probably be more into Green, Brunson and Terry, especially if Lavine is gone.