(05-19-2021, 09:31 AM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1395016838996762625?s=21

(05-19-2021, 04:47 AM)Branduil Wrote: I wouldn't say Holmes has ZERO trade value because that's obviously false but if you're just talking about superstar trades, sure.

Really I think the key is getting it done ahead of free agency as a S&T. We all know that if it's an RFA offer sheet the Mavs will just screw themselves.

(05-19-2021, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: That would have more to do with Mavs flaws in roster construction circumventing THJ's value.  The smart front offices value THJ because he's extremely good at an extremely coveted and rare skillset, and he will be appreciated and paid accordingly by some smart front office.   It's also a skillset that the Mavs actually need more of rather than less of.   I would also caution that depleting our offense down to a mediocre unit in order to field a mediocre defense won't get us where we'll want to go, which is precisely why the JRich for Curry swap hasn't worked.

(05-19-2021, 09:31 AM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1395016838996762625?s=21

(05-19-2021, 09:54 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Allen is good.  But you see plenty of productive centers in the 5 to 12 million dollar range.  Heck, Willie was productive for less than that.

Paying Allen that much is tough.  They are sort of in a tough spot with him.  Need to resign him but also so far away from being good as a team.   

It seems like he is a good asset currently, but the moment he signs his contract this offseason he turns into a negative asset.

(05-19-2021, 09:54 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Allen is good.  But you see plenty of productive centers in the 5 to 12 million dollar range.  Heck, Willie was productive for less than that.

Paying Allen that much is tough.  They are sort of in a tough spot with him.  Need to resign him but also so far away from being good as a team.   

It seems like he is a good asset currently, but the moment he signs his contract this offseason he turns into a negative asset.

(05-19-2021, 10:31 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Who exactly is going to be trying to steal away Jarrett Allen for 25 mil? You could say Hornets maybe. I just think these rim rolling shot blocking centers are no way going to get that type of money. I just think it's total BS. I put Allen in that 13-18 mil starter money range.

(05-19-2021, 10:39 AM)Mapka Wrote: Who am I missing?

(05-19-2021, 10:41 AM)omahen Wrote: Robinson

(05-19-2021, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: That would have more to do with Mavs flaws in roster construction circumventing THJ's value.  The smart front offices value THJ because he's extremely good at an extremely coveted and rare skillset, and he will be appreciated and paid accordingly by some smart front office.   It's also a skillset that the Mavs actually need more of rather than less of.   I would also caution that depleting our offense down to a mediocre unit in order to field a mediocre defense won't get us where we'll want to go, which is precisely why the JRich for Curry swap hasn't worked.

(05-19-2021, 09:48 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Holmes would not have zero trade value unless we (or somebody) pays him 20 mil. You sign him to a good contract (see Christian Wood last year) and all of a sudden he has a lot of value. Wood in a trade would fetch you something nice. If this year's abundance of cap space makes a Wood-type player go to 20 mil/yr instead of 13/yr then you have to do something else. Not worth overpaying and I doubt Mavs would do that for Holmes.

Collins on the other-hand is young with more upside and so I could see an overpay there being something that Mavs would do.

(05-19-2021, 10:56 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: So you’re saying we don’t have a smart FO. 

Get the starters in place, then work on the bench specialists. That’s how smart FOs do it. Don’t overvalue your bench guys so much that you won’t trade them or move on from them to get the starters you need. That’s how smart FOs operate.

(05-19-2021, 11:01 AM)Mapka Wrote: Being smart always includes being opportunistic. I love our fringe starter/ superbench crew. Keeping them and adding another semi-starter playmaker might be better than losing them and adding a "real" starter.

(05-19-2021, 10:08 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: If Jarrett Allen is a $25 million a year player and Richaun Holmes is a $20 million a year player, Dwight Powell at $10 million is a steal.

(05-19-2021, 10:57 AM)bearforce1 Wrote: Some caution on using Wood's deal as a benchmark for bigs this offseason - on a Duncan & Hollinger podcast awhile back they mentioned that Wood had some character "red-flags" well-known across the league that likely depressed the market for him.