(05-18-2021, 04:37 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Looking at that list, some of which could be "peers" in terms of production, I still feel like that 13-18 range is pretty solid. Hield is the only big outlier I saw at first glance.

(05-18-2021, 03:11 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: "Holmes could find himself netting a deal worth upward of $80 million over four years, according to league personnel polled by Bleacher Report."

(05-18-2021, 05:39 PM)DrMav Wrote: That seems a lot pricier than I would have thought.

(05-18-2021, 05:39 PM)DrMav Wrote: That seems a lot pricier than I would have thought.

(05-18-2021, 04:14 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 39% >7 attempts

Stephen Curry
Zach Lavine
Damian Lillard
KyrieIrving
Jaylen Brown
Paul George
CJ McCollum
Malik Beasley
Kyle Lowry
Buddy Hield
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Duncan Robinson
Davis Bertans
Tim Hardaway

39% >6 attempts

Evan Fournier
Jamal Murray
Mike Conley
Joe Harris
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nikola Vucevic
Michael Porter Jr
Danny Green
Reggie Bullock
OG Anunoby
Joe Ingles
Norman Powell
Wayne Ellington

38% > 7 attempts

Terry Rozier
D´Angelo Russell
Donovan Mitchell
Jayson Tatum
Gary Trent Jr
Armoni Brooks (barely qualified, only played 20 games)

Not a lot of cheap options.

(05-18-2021, 07:53 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: Not sure why we have to replicate what he does.

(05-18-2021, 07:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: With all due respect, I think this is why you don't appreciate him. 

Every good team has shooters. Nowadays, more than ever. And, he's not even close to the bad defender you make him out to be, imo.

(05-18-2021, 07:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: IF F Gump is correct and JRich opts in, then the options for replacing THJ after you've signed Holmes are largely on our team already.  Either that, or we need to be looking for JRich for a guard trade opportunities.

(05-18-2021, 07:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: With all due respect, I think this is why you don't appreciate him. 

Every good team has shooters. Nowadays, more than ever. And, he's not even close to the bad defender you make him out to be, imo.

(05-18-2021, 07:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: My working number, based on something I heard around the TDL has been around $17mm.  The interesting thing with Holmes is there isn't a S&T path to anything like that.  So, if everyone with cap room that needed a Center suddenly found one, then he's screwed.  I suspect he will be one of those super early announcements with Dallas or Charlotte or someone else with cap room committing quickly.  He would be wise to not wait around for the music to stop and all the chairs be full.

That comes into play as regards Collins.  Holmes is gone if Dallas spends any time on Collins in terms of an outright offer sheet.  So, it means any Collins deal is something Dallas and Atlanta know they are doing before 5:01.  With Schwartz as the agent, that isn't hard to imagine (and I think we all know these conversations happen prior to the opening bell).  But, if Atlanta has any thought of getting something for Collins and using space themselves, they will have that agreement in place.  If not, Dallas will (or at least should) know that and can move on.

The big thing with Holmes and Dallas is the faction of the board who insists we need a playmaking guard more than a center.  IF we are moving on from THJ and JRich, there is money left to work with.  IF F Gump is correct and JRich opts in, then the options for replacing THJ after you've signed Holmes are largely on our team already.  Either that, or we need to be looking for JRich for a guard trade opportunities.

(05-16-2021, 03:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Given the cost, I would be more excited about Holmes, Brogdon, Turner, Lowry, and/or Conley. I hate to hurt KL's eyes, but likely Ball as well.

I would say that I'm close to believing that the ideal offseason would be KP and JB for Brogdon/Turner (don't think Indiana does that, but it would be great) with Collins as the cap room get. Gives us a fantastic starting lineup, but I'd still be pretty nervous with JB and THJ's shooting gone from the bench.

(05-19-2021, 04:07 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Holmes can only be a finishing piece, not a primary target. Holmes has ZERO re-trade value. As soon as you sign him, it´s over. He´s yours for the next four years. I don´t even care about the fit with Collins, but if you add him, he´s got huge trade value. He can easily be the centerpiece of a Beal or Lavine trade. Besides the fact that I do think he´s an excellent player.

(05-19-2021, 04:47 AM)Branduil Wrote: I wouldn't say Holmes has ZERO trade value because that's obviously false but if you're just talking about superstar trades, sure.

Really I think the key is getting it done ahead of free agency as a S&T. We all know that if it's an RFA offer sheet the Mavs will just screw themselves.

(05-19-2021, 05:47 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I get the general scepticism, but how often have we tried to sign RFAs? Was Parsons restricted? Gortat? It´s not that often. In a sense signing somebody to an offer sheet would actually be progress, cause we usually can´t get anybody to sign anything in free agency.

(05-18-2021, 07:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: With all due respect, I think this is why you don't appreciate him. 

Every good team has shooters. Nowadays, more than ever. And, he's not even close to the bad defender you make him out to be, imo.

(05-19-2021, 08:08 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: If the Heat go full press on THJ, I think some people might need to consider why the really smart organizations and front offices go so hard after our shooters like Seth and THJ.

(05-19-2021, 08:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Because the smart FOs have the team in place to absorb the negatives of the shooters we develop.