(05-14-2021, 04:21 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Last year [Dinwiddie's] numbers were pretty good. I like the scoring obv, plus assists and FTA's. I think that would help off the bench. I don't disagree he has flaws but I still think he fits the "playmaker" role Mavs need in some capacity. If I were a betting man I would put Dragic as more likely. Dragic obv is buds with Luka, toolsy offensively and was clutch in the playoffs last year. I also don't think he will cost too much given his age and injury history.

(05-14-2021, 05:52 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: You just sounded so confident, what happened?

(05-14-2021, 04:45 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: So I like this idea a lot. I didn't realize Smart's stock was so low. This as certainly as low as its ever been. I like that Mavs have J Rich as a potential role/matching piece.

I would do Smart for Rich all day every day. Smart does have chucking tendencies but he is a much better player than J Rich, especially defensively. If Smart has worn out his welcome it's a great opportunity for Mavs to "buy low" on him. I still think he has more trade value than J Rich but I am not sure what the Mavs have that the Celtics would want.

(05-14-2021, 09:19 PM)embellisher Wrote: Ainge will want to win the trade. No way you're getting Smart for Rich straight up. I think Ainge would ask for Rich and Brunson.

(05-14-2021, 09:44 PM)Branduil Wrote: Luka+THJ+KP is not a winning trio on defense. Unless I see something dramatically different in the playoffs, I think the Mavs need to trade KP and make THJ the 6th man.

(05-14-2021, 10:32 PM)Branduil Wrote: Still fully on team Trade KP

(05-14-2021, 10:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: For sure. 

Team Trade KP is not flaky and based on short term trends. Team Trade KP is looking at the big picture.

(05-14-2021, 10:49 PM)F Gump Wrote: That's the idea. All outcomes mean "Trade KP." Who cares if KP plays well and makes the team better - gotta push to trade him anyhow! Amirite?

(05-14-2021, 10:55 PM)Branduil Wrote: I just want to figure out a way to trade KP for Brogdon and then add Holmes while keeping THJ as 6th man.

(05-14-2021, 09:33 PM)F Gump Wrote: That would be a ridiculous ask, and an easy no. Brunson is very unlikely to be traded at all - for the Mavs to even consider it, the other team probably has to have an under-30, healthy, current all-star level player on the table. Smart isn't even close.

(05-14-2021, 12:15 PM)mvossman Wrote: Ha!  The tables are turned as you are warning me about context regarding lineup data (something I think I have done to you in the past).  And your right, the data is limited with THJ and the starters and what I did provide was not a very big sample (its hard to get any decent sample this year with injuries and the Covid stuff).  

My stance is that you have to have a good defense to be a legit contender (offense is probably even more important but a good defense is necessary as well).  I do think that has to start with the interior, which is why I am concerned about KP's drop off this year and would be willing to consider Holmes even with the inefficient use of resources.  But I also think you can't have two guys on the perimeter that need to be hidden.  DFS can cover for Luka, but he can't cover for a second bad perimeter defender.  I think a poor defensive lineup with a good net is not going to be good enough to get it done.

(05-15-2021, 09:44 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Talking about THJ. He obviously has to make the most out of his next contract but is there a chance that the Mavs and THJ can work out a Dirk like agreement. Sign a smaller contract this summer (1/11m). Followed by a big payday in 2022 (2/40). Next summer the Mavs are over the cap anyway and if they want to keep the crew together most likely paying luxury tax (DFS, Brunson).
Obviously requires a lot of trust on both sides but I do think that THJ would like to stay in Dallas. Also think that the MBT values him. Not only for his on court production but also as a team leader and chemistry guy.

(05-15-2021, 10:06 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I like the thinking here.  I've said I think the range is $14mm to $18mm.  But that is theoretical.  Who out there is going to use cap space on him.  That leaves him at the MLE if we don't sign/sign-and-trade him.  I like your numbers as it is basically the same as  3 x $17.  I'm guessing you'd give him a PO for a second year to guarantee him $22.9-ish? 

Here's my question.  You are leaving yourself $23mm for who.  A bunch of the guys you would put here would push THJ to the bench.  For instance, say Lowry agreed to $23mm (same agent as THJ).  That works for the Mav's and for Lowry.  Does it help THJ?  He's still coming off the bench and betting about $7 million (spread between 2/$22.9 and 3/$29.5 MLE elsewhere) that a year from now Dallas will keep its wink-wink deal.  Also, will the league put up with that big of a circumvention.  Dirk can take as little as he wants and could justify a max the next year.  Is there any world in which you can justify $20mm per for THJ as a bench player a year from now?