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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 01:52 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Kemba will be on the Mavs next year. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - duboh7 - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 08:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: FIFY below. Dan, any thoughts on Warren of Indy? He seems to have 2-3-4 skills (if he can stay healthy). Not sure what it would take to pry him from Indy (who knows what's happening at Indy, anyway?) I think Warren has 2 yrs left @ somewhere around $14M/per. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 01:52 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Go ahead and come at me, but Kemba will be on the Mavs next year.I will take that signature bet! If he's on the Mavs, you get to dictate my signature for next full season. If he's not I get yours for the same time! RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Hypermav - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 02:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Can't unsee that. Ranks with Melli. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - F Gump - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 11:46 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: The guys I am looking at are Dinwiddie and Dragic. You keep beating the drum for Dinwiddie, and I don't see anything in what he has to offer that makes any sense in Dallas. He can't shoot. He can't defend. And now, on top of those, he's rehabbing from being badly injured. He's really the classic case of the player who was able to amass some numbers on a bad team - because, someone has to get some numbers. In Dallas, he'd really upgrade nothing in the equation. Hard pass for me. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ClutchDirk - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 03:32 PM)F Gump Wrote: You keep beating the drum for Dinwiddie, and I don't see anything in what he has to offer that makes any sense in Dallas. https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/3-michael-finley-glenn-james.jpg RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Scott41theMavs - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 03:38 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/3-michael-finley-glenn-james.jpg I actually liked the player that Finley looked to be as a rookie in Phoenix - kind of a super wing version of DFS with better handles and distribution skills - better than what he showed us in his years as a Mav. More defense with the Suns iirc. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Scott41theMavs - 05-14-2021 If this offseason doesn't include one of Holmes, Collins, Turner, Rozier, Brogdon, Lowry, Conley, or a player at a similar level to those, (at the very least Fournier?), I'll be lying in bed for a few days having a good depressive cry. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 12:42 PM)mvossman Wrote: But I don't see the MBT going after Dinwiddie or Dragic either. They new from last year that they have a serious perimeter defense issue, which is why they traded away Curry for JRich. That has not worked out as well as hoped, but I think if they are going to replace JRich it is going to be someone who can play quality perimeter defense. That unfortunately narrows the field down a lot, especially if want that player to be an effective secondary distributor. After the big dollar guys (Conley, Lowry) you get down to RFAs (Ball, Graham). There are not a lot of options here, and most of them will be expensive. There is a good chance they are going to have to do some kind of trade to get that guy. Dragic is not a bad team defender. J Rich just hasn't been good. Lately I have seen him make some defensive plays but then he blows it in transition. I think there just aren't a lot of options out there so they will settle back on finding a guy who at least can make plays. They have Green who should start getting more rotation minutes to help with defense. They just don't have the roster construction really for a great defense so they will go back to offensive efficiency and try to be good enough on defense. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 03:55 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: If this offseason doesn't include one of Holmes, Collins, Turner, Rozier, Brogdon, Lowry, Conley, or a player at a similar level to those, (at the very least Fournier?), I'll be lying in bed for a few days having a good depressive cry. Rozier is a guy I like who seems disposable (Hornets have lots of guards and wings). What do the Mavs need to give up to get him though? RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 03:32 PM)F Gump Wrote: You keep beating the drum for Dinwiddie, and I don't see anything in what he has to offer that makes any sense in Dallas. Last year his numbers were pretty good. I like the scoring obv, plus assists and FTA's. I think that would help off the bench. I don't disagree he has flaws but I still think he fits the "playmaker" role Mavs need in some capacity. If I were a betting man I would put Dragic as more likely. Dragic obv is buds with Luka, toolsy offensively and was clutch in the playoffs last year. I also don't think he will cost too much given his age and injury history. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 01:52 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Go ahead and come at me, but Kemba will be on the Mavs next year. I don't think so because I don't think Mavs are desperate enough to swing big on him. He is a good player but like at this point I wouldn't give up THJ for Kemba. Even if Celtics were like here's Kemba for cap space I don't think I'd do it. I would rather have THJ + what I can get for the rest of the cap space. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 02:18 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Maybe reading too much into it, but Bob Voulgaris and Jeremias Engelmann seem to go out of their way to praise WCS on Twitter, maybe moreso than any other Mav on the roster. I think he has fans in the building, especially in the analytic department. I know Dwight Powell has fans in the building (namely the head coach and the face of the franchise star player). I think the Mavs will call around to see if they can get comparable talent to KP in a trade without finding any takers due to injury and physical degradation concerns. I suspect anyone really hyped up about a major upgrade/change for a big man this offseason is going to be disappointed. "Comparable" talent is subjective. KP still has a reputation as a star but if you trade him you aren't going to get a star back. If Mavs believe KP is a star then they won't trade him bc they won't get equal value. If however, Mavs do think KP is not a fit and want to get value back for him I believe they can. I am confident for example the Warriors would gladly give up Minney pick + Wiggins for KP in some kind of trade. That sets the market for KP. The problem is I am not sure the Mavs want any of that so you need more teams involved. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 12:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Fair. I disagree with Smart being too pricey. I can see BOS moving on from him for a moderate package centered around JRich pretty easily. The only thing is are the Mavs inclined to take back Smart with his chucker tendencies and a kobe-like attitude in late game situations? Tough to say. Smart on paper reads to me a lot like JRich but a worse scorer. So I like this idea a lot. I didn't realize Smart's stock was so low. This as certainly as low as its ever been. I like that Mavs have J Rich as a potential role/matching piece. I would do Smart for Rich all day every day. Smart does have chucking tendencies but he is a much better player than J Rich, especially defensively. If Smart has worn out his welcome it's a great opportunity for Mavs to "buy low" on him. I still think he has more trade value than J Rich but I am not sure what the Mavs have that the Celtics would want. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - IamDougieFresh - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 03:18 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I will take that signature bet! If he's on the Mavs, you get to dictate my signature for next full season. If he's not I get yours for the same time! I usually like to have some evidence before I bet RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Jason Terry - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 02:56 PM)duboh7 Wrote: Dan, any thoughts on Warren of Indy? He seems to have 2-3-4 skills (if he can stay healthy). Not sure what it would take to pry him from Indy (who knows what's happening at Indy, anyway?) I think Warren has 2 yrs left @ somewhere around $14M/per.TJ Warren and Taurean Prince are both players that I’ve thought would make a lot of sense for us. Both have 1 year left this summer at $13 million. So they should be available for cheap. Both also neatly fit salary wise in a swap for opted in J Rich should we choose to go that route. Both would be excellent backup 3’s who could play with the starting group if needed. Also of note since it’s unlikely we could get BOTH Brogdon and Turner from Indy, Brogdon and Warren or Turner and Warren both are decent packages for KP depending how Indy wants to go about retooling their roster. (Yes KP is a bad fit there but could go to a 3rd team) RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 04:45 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: So I like this idea a lot. I didn't realize Smart's stock was so low. This as certainly as low as its ever been. I like that Mavs have J Rich as a potential role/matching piece. Brunson? RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Jason Terry - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 09:58 AM)mvossman Wrote: THJ is an awkward fit with the starting group due to his defensive concerns, so it would be strange to go sign a THJ clone in Fournier/Monk as our big off season acquisition. That would be wildly disappointing.I’ve been beating the Graham drum for awhile. It seems J Rich is the unicorn when it comes to replacing him. There’s such a widespread lack of defenders in this current NBA among non-bigs. Most of the best defenders available are old vets However, Graham is the number 1 guard in the entire league based on DRPM. I don’t put too much stock in defensive stats or plus minus so who knows? Maybe it at least says he’s got potential 1. defender: check 2. volume 3pt shooter: check 3. distributor: check 4. young building block: bonus check Not really sure what else we could ask for in a player. I’ve scoured the lists and he’s the only guy I’ve seen that checks all the boxes. Bad news is he’s RFA. Either we can work out a deal with agent and CHA before the puck drops on FA or we can’t and move to backup plans. None of this wait and see. Must be a sure thing RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 05:31 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: I usually like to have some evidence before I betYou just sounded so confident, what happened? RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Jason Terry - 05-14-2021 (05-14-2021, 04:45 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: So I like this idea a lot. I didn't realize Smart's stock was so low. This as certainly as low as its ever been. I like that Mavs have J Rich as a potential role/matching piece.Love Smart but when Celtics superfan Bill Simmons questions his ability it makes me pause |