(05-14-2021, 08:15 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Of these two lineups, I myself much prefer the first. Not sure I see Green as a 3 sized wing though. I think Green paired with Brunson could be a great bench pairing to go with what we know is a perfect pairing in Powell and Maxi (I really want to bring back those days!).

(05-14-2021, 08:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: FIFY below.

Holmes   Powell
KP          Maxi
DFS        rMLE
THJ        Green
Luka       Brunson

BTW, if you go that route, you are going to need a knock down 3 point shooter for the rMLE to keep Green and Powell on the floor at the same time.  Can't help you with the THJ starting thing.  That is the way the conversation goes when he's on a hot streak and Carlisle is starting him.  Give it some time and we will play a different game...actually, we've been playing that game for months.  Who can we get at SG assuming THJ is still here as a 6th/7th man.

(05-14-2021, 08:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That is the way the conversation goes when he's on a hot streak and Carlisle is starting him.

(05-14-2021, 08:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: FIFY below.

Holmes   Powell
KP          Maxi
DFS        rMLE
THJ        Green
Luka       Brunson

BTW, if you go that route, you are going to need a knock down 3 point shooter for the rMLE to keep Green and Powell on the floor at the same time.  Can't help you with the THJ starting thing.  That is the way the conversation goes when he's on a hot streak and Carlisle is starting him.  Give it some time and we will play a different game...actually, we've been playing that game for months.  Who can we get at SG assuming THJ is still here as a 6th/7th man.


 

(05-14-2021, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Holmes   Powell
KP          Maxi
DFS        Green
THJ        rMLE
Luka       Brunson

OR

Powell     WCS
KP          Maxi
DFS        Green
THJ        Fournier/Monk
Luka       Brunson

(05-13-2021, 11:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Yes, assuming KP stays, then...

1) you roll out RH/KP/DFS/THJ/Luka as your starters.

2) you replace JR with JG....easily IMO, because I think JR is the easiest replacement as he has been a disaster of a fit in regard to on court winning.

(05-14-2021, 09:22 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/MavsFansForLife/status/1393046880737693697

(05-14-2021, 09:09 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: Looking at this lineup made me realize how much of a priority getting a playmaker is compared to a big. No matter how great the Holmes/Collins fit is, they won't have the ball in their hands much.

(05-13-2021, 11:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Yes, assuming KP stays, then...

1) you roll out RH/KP/DFS/THJ/Luka as your starters.

2) you replace JR with JG....easily IMO, because I think JR is the easiest replacement as he has been a disaster of a fit in regard to on court winning

(05-14-2021, 09:37 AM)omahen Wrote: Agree. Although I wouldn't say no to top end talent like Collins if we can get him. Figure the rest later. 

Adding top secondary ballhandler becomes problematic if we lose THJ or not. I f we lose him, we will certainly miss his shooting. If we somehow manage to keep him, it will get crowded on guard spots if we want to boost Green minutes at least a little bit. Unless we move DFS minutes much more to the PF position. Option is also to trade Green.

(05-14-2021, 09:44 AM)mvossman Wrote: I find it interesting the perception that JR is killing this team and we need to put THJ in the starting lineup.  The 4 man KP/Luka/DFS/THJ is a net -16 with 131 defensive rating.  That is terrible.  Replace THJ with JR and goes up to +2, and that is weighed down by THJ (KP/Luka/DFS/THJ/JR is -21).  

JR has been disappointing this year on offense and is not what we hoped, but he has been more effective with the starting unit that THJ.  That is likely due to the difference in defense.  Maybe putting Holmes in the starting lineup will mitigate some of that, but I just don't see a KP/Luka/THJ group being able to play contender level defense.

I am all for upgrading JR spot in the starting lineup, but THJ is not the answer and Green isn't either.  We are going to have to get somebody and they are going to cost at least 15.  That means baring trades, we can re-sign THJ or sign Holmes, but not both.

(05-14-2021, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: First, thanks for playing along.  If you stick with the spirit of the conversation, then yes on trades (with JRich as part of the outgoing) and FA's making at or under bout $17mm.  I'm not really looking to add too many variables as we talk about those kinds of things all the time.

1.  So, I'd eliminate the too expensive guys right off the bat:  Ball, Conley, Lowry, Powell and Schroeder.  I'll put Dipo on this list since he turned down more.  I've seen estimates of $20mm for Powell.  So, assuming Portland wants him, he may be too rich also.  I wil point out that there are a limited number of teams that can send out this kind of money.  But current teams can pay.  So, you are probably looking for someone who has to change teams and isn't so good that the NY's of the world don't want them.  The estimates on DeRozan start in this range and go higher.  Maybe DeRozan?  Many here don't like the fit.  Would he come here to be a 6th man?

2.  I'd eliminate the guys who are too rich to trade for.  Recall the spirit of the exercise.  No KP deals in this conversation or deals where we create even more holes to fill this one.  So, Brogdon, Smart and LaVine are gone.

3.  I'd eliminate the guys who aren't clearly better than JRich...the devil you know.  I think you first have to define JRich.  I'd use post AS data.  There, he's a net positive in +/- and on a Per 36 basis he's 14/4/3.25  with a 3% of .364.  He also seems to be a good locker room fit. 

What I'm left with from your excellent work is Fournier and Monk.  I could make an argument for Green and Dragic, but the age thing is an issue.  I think I'd rather commit four years to the younger guys than even two years to the older guys.  But, to Kamm's point, would you rather keep Powell/WCS as your C's and sign Fournier or Monk as a sixth man?  Or, would you rather go with Holmes/Powell as your C's and go with Green and some guy for the rMLE to back up the 2/3 spot?  

Holmes   Powell
KP          Maxi
DFS        Green
THJ        rMLE
Luka       Brunson

OR

Powell     WCS
KP          Maxi
DFS        Green
THJ        Fournier/Monk
Luka       Brunson

(05-14-2021, 08:56 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Also, I agree with you on this. Never liked the seesaw based on recent play. Will probably never understand it.

(05-14-2021, 10:04 AM)mvossman Wrote: Back in April when THJ was s******g the bed, nobody wanted to keep him.

(05-14-2021, 10:11 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I just hope we don’t go big with his salary and I for sure hope we don’t bid against ourselves.

(05-14-2021, 10:04 AM)mvossman Wrote: Yep.  Back in April when THJ was shitting the bed, nobody wanted to keep him, now everyone wants to start him next year.

(05-14-2021, 10:11 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ya, the exercise was assuming THJ is resigned and in all honesty, that is by far the highest probability (even higher than keeping KP IMO).