(05-07-2021, 11:39 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Do you recall what all happened in the summer of 2016.  Durant went to GS, Barnes signed with Dallas, Dwight Powell got his first big contract at about $9mm per year.  Dallas had just removed his QO in late June making him unrestricted.  Then, Deron Williams agreed to a number and then agreed to whittle that number because the front office figured out they could do the big Dirk one year $25mm deal if they paid DWill a little less.  Schwartz delivered Barnes and got good deals for Powell and DWill in the process.  He was in such a strong position in terms of what he got for Williams that he gave back $1mm so the team could pay Dirk.

Agents have a lot of influence.  They don't make decisions for teams, but they can certainly ask that their backs be scratched if they do a favor for a team.  So, Duffy now controls Chicago's two "stars".  Chicago wants to keep LaVine and the risk is he plays for $19.5 and gets a max elsewhere on the open market (remember when posters thought KP would play for his QO just to get out of Dallas?).  Player and agent want the money a year early, but they have the threat and can excert pressure to get other things.  JRich's involvement accomplishes more than just doing a favor for Duffy.

(05-08-2021, 09:36 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: They need a guy that can be a ball handler but  also a ISO scorer that can demand double teams which is why Derozan is at the top of my list but I fear he will be a Laker. 

(05-08-2021, 10:51 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Agree that this is how it works behind the scenes but If this is the best Duffy and Schwartz have done "for" the Mavs it might be time to change the approach.

(05-08-2021, 09:56 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: "widely reported" means a guy at Bleacher Report named A. Sherrod Blakely (who is based in Boston) wrote a story and other outlets (as often happens) picked up a line and created an "expected to forego" story.  Here is the line:


"That's why rival executives anticipate the Bulls will try to lock up LaVine with a contract extension (he will make $19.5 million this season and next) but know he'll likely let his deal lapse, become an unrestricted free agent and sign what will be a more lucrative multiyear max pact."


There is no mention in Blakely's story of the possibility of renegotiating LaVine's 21/22 deal and max extending off of that.  If fact, I'm not sure, based on the story he wrote, that he's even aware of the possibility.  The story isn't really about LaVine's future with the team other than to say the trade for Vucevic sends a clear message Chicago wants to win.  The impact of the Vuc. deal on Markkanen gets much more word count than the impact on LaVine.     



 

(05-08-2021, 10:06 AM)Branduil Wrote: I'm sure Chicago wants to win but the Vuc trade sure didn't do that for them.

(05-08-2021, 10:33 AM)Tyler Wrote: The idea of trading JRich for Young to help Chicago keep Lavine makes a lot of sense. But if Duffy has as much pull as you say (I think he does), then the only problem I see is the assumption that he'll have JRich opt in. Now if there's a S&T that also works where JRich gets paid long-term while Chicago clears enough short-term money to renegotiate Lavine's deal, I do think there's some opportunity there.

(05-08-2021, 11:31 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: He covered all angles. You just don´t like that it doesn´t comfirm your own opinion. The Bulls can only offer him a large max extension, if he makes an All-NBA team or they waive Markkanen, Satoransky and Young. So that makes the 23rd best team in the league even worse.  

(05-08-2021, 10:14 AM)mvossman Wrote: I feel like this is completely ignoring the defensive side of the ball.  We are already way better offensively than defensively.  Not sure why we would spend our remaining assets making a really good offense better and ignoring a middling defense at best (which is what options 1, 2 and 5 would do).  That is not a route to contention.  The top priority on a shooting guard next to Luka is a high level defender that does not hurt you on offense (both Wright and JRich have already failed that second part).  It would be very helpful if that player could take some play making duties off Luka's shoulders.  A final bonus would be if that player could create, but guys that fit all three of those are max contract stars and I don't see a path to getting one of them.

I could see an argument for Conley and Lowry being ahead of Brogdon on that list, but the timeline does not fit.

• Contract is at least four seasons or more.
  
  
• It has been at least three years since they signed the current contract
  
  
• The team must have the same amount of cap space in salary they want to increase
  

(05-08-2021, 11:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: At the time...(pause for emphasis)...Barnes was a pretty good get.  We had already had four seasons of futility by then.

Dallas didn't do anything of significance with Duffy for almost 15  years following the Nash fiasco.  This is a pretty new phenomenon with him and I don't totally trust it.  It might be a marriage of convenience.  Maybe Luka wanted to come here.  Maybe he hated the idea of going to Sacramento or Atlanta.  Who knows.

For years Fish and DLord poo pooed the idea that Schwartz and Fegan were any more "team friendly" toward Dallas than others.  When Fish finally asked Donnie, he got the now-famous quote that both of those guys deserved rings for their contributions to the 2011 team.  Schwartz is in the agent hall of fame here as far as I'm concerned.

(05-08-2021, 11:56 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: From Bulls Confidential.  Many other sources have written this story:

I want to give Eric Pincus credit here first, as he brought up this point that I missed until he mentioned it. There is a slight issue when it comes to extending Zach LaVine. Because LaVine only makes $19.5 million in his last season, there is a limit to what the Bulls can extend him to.

When you extend a player, the first year in that extension can NOT be more than 120 percent of the player’s previous salary. With LaVine only making $19.5 mil, the 1st year of his extension can not be over $23.4 million. And in an extension, the salary can only go up eight percent of the first year’s salary. Eight percent of $23.4 mil is $1,872,000.

So at most the Bulls can extend LaVine to the following amount the next four years:

2022/23: $23,400,000
2023/24: $25,272,000
2024/25: $27,144,000
2025/26: $29,016,000

That is a four year, $104.8 million extension. With the 2021/22 season included, that is a five year, $124.3 million contract. That is the absolute most money the Bulls can extend LaVine for at this time. That unfortunately is below LaVine’s max.

This is LaVine at his max amount in each of those seasons:

2022/23: $34,735,800
2023/24: $37,514,664
2024/25: $40,293,528
2025/26: $43,072,392

That’s $189.3 million over four years. That’s at least an $80 million dollar difference from what the Bulls can extend him at. For the Bulls to be able to offer LaVine his max, they need to let him hit unrestricted free agency. Then they can use his Bird rights, and sign him up to his max contract value.

The risk with this move is LaVine as an unrestricted free agent can sign with anyone. He doesn’t even have to talk to the Bulls ever again. He could just leave, and the Bulls could do nothing. Which is why teams usually try to get an extension done. But as I mentioned the Bulls are limited because LaVine has out performed his contract, and they can only offer him his max with him becoming a free agent. Well actually, there is a one way: The renegotiate and extend.

In the NBA you can renegotiate(to increase salary, never decrease) a player’s contract under the following conditions:

• Contract is at least four seasons or more.
  
  
• It has been at least three years since they signed the current contract
  
  
• The team must have the same amount of cap space in salary they want to increase
  

LaVine meets the first two requirements, and the Bulls have the ability to open significant cap space this off-season. If the Bulls want to have the ability to offer LaVine a max extension, they will need to renegotiate his 2021/22 salary of $19,500,000 to a much higher amount.

The Bulls can save $14.2 mil in cap space, and use that cap space to renegotiate LaVine to his max contract for the 2021/22 season. You would raise his salary from $19.5mil to 33.7mil. Then in the very same instance extend his contract the next 4 seasons at his max. Essentially, the Bulls will be extending LaVine to five years, $189 million, and it will start next season(2021/22) with his newly renegotiated salary of $33.7million.

(05-08-2021, 09:22 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Brogdon is infinitely better than those guys. Brog is a very well-rounded player. He can score, pass, rebound get the the free throw line a little bit and play defense. He can also shoot outside. Perfect fit next to Luka. I would not trade KP for him unless Mavs really had to move KP and they would need more back than Brog.

I would be all over trying to get Brog if I could get him without trading KP. Just depends on what the asking price is. He is a great fit next to Luka.

(05-08-2021, 12:57 PM)Mapka Wrote: I will not believe in anyone being a fit or no fit next to Luka until they play together. But if I could chose a word I don´t want to hear, it would be well-rounded.

I got into this with saying I don´t want to pay this price for Brogdon, what was Maxi and Powell. I don´t want to mess with our frontcourt or bench at this moment, I want to add some real playmaking instead of the "secondary playmaking" JRich provides.

There has to be a way to get a plus starter without cutting our rotation. If we asume JRich opts out, there will be like 14-17Mio after THJ got his. If he opts in, we can trade up to that in pieces and a pick and whatever we get for our MLE.

(05-08-2021, 10:14 AM)mvossman Wrote: I feel like this is completely ignoring the defensive side of the ball.  We are already way better offensively than defensively.  Not sure why we would spend our remaining assets making a really good offense better and ignoring a middling defense at best (which is what options 1, 2 and 5 would do).  That is not a route to contention.  The top priority on a shooting guard next to Luka is a high level defender that does not hurt you on offense (both Wright and JRich have already failed that second part).  It would be very helpful if that player could take some play making duties off Luka's shoulders.  A final bonus would be if that player could create, but guys that fit all three of those are max contract stars and I don't see a path to getting one of them.

I could see an argument for Conley and Lowry being ahead of Brogdon on that list, but the timeline does not fit.

(05-08-2021, 01:36 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Satoransky would be a nice target for depth if Chicago has to dump him...

(05-08-2021, 02:03 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: This would be an excellent under the radar move. I thought we should’ve gone after Sato instead of Wright last off-season. He’s a good facilitator, defender, and can knock down his open threes. He’s also 6’7 which makes him versatile on both sides of the ball. Everything about his game fits our system. I would love some sort of sign and trade with the bulls that landed us Sato and Markkanen.

(05-08-2021, 12:33 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: That is exactly what the person in the BR article wrote. They need to raise Lavine´s 2021/2022 salary from 19.5M to 33.7M,  

So the BR-article is spot on.  

(05-08-2021, 02:45 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Him and Green would be a good SG combo to have for matchup purposes...unless you get a stud SG...would allow is to address PF next to KP with a lot of money to spend...