(05-08-2021, 04:35 AM)Branduil Wrote: I think one player the Pacers would probably be really interested in would be Maxi. He would fit really well with Sabonis as a stretch big who can guard the perimeter.

I wonder how many people here would be willing to do a Maxi+Powell for Brogdon trade? I could see Indiana trading Myles Turner for Rozier after that, and the Mavs could still go after Holmes and do the Thad Young for JRich trade.

Luka / Brunson
Brogdon / Burke
DFS / Green
Holmes / Young
KP / WCS

(05-08-2021, 05:14 AM)Branduil Wrote: I don't think Brogdon is comparable to either guy at all. Delon and JRich were both guys the Mavs hoped could provide that 2nd playmaker role, but neither guy had ever actually proven he could do that at a high level, and their shooting was always extremely questionable. Brogdon has absolutely proven himself as a playmaker and outside shooter, he's not a #1 guy or even an all-star but as an all-around guard he'd be a massive upgrade over anything the Mavs have beside Luka.

(05-08-2021, 05:41 AM)Mapka Wrote: I don't buy this.

He is a secondary or tertiary playmaker.
That's not enough next to Luka.

He has his own injury history.

He might be a little bit better because he has a faster release. But over all this makes us worse.

(05-08-2021, 05:59 AM)Branduil Wrote: Brogdon is 21st in the NBA in APG at 5.9 as the starting PG for the Pacers. Which of the 19 non-Luka guys ahead of him do you think would be better and a realistic possibility for the Mavs?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_per_game.html#per_game_stats::ast_per_g

(05-08-2021, 06:23 AM)Mapka Wrote: DeMare and Conley.

And I know, you know getting assists is not the same as playmaking. I see two other Pacer over him in this list.

By the way, as you ask about realistic, why would Indiana give a starter for to players they would have on their bench behind their best, high minutes players?

Oh and sry if this isn't clear, I think he is a very good player in this league. He is just in the mold of the most bad fit to Luka. My POV of course.

(05-08-2021, 12:35 AM)F Gump Wrote: How would that work? Lavine already has a contract for 2021-21. And it's hard to see how Chicago is positioned to have significant cap room (unless they plan to let Markanen walk).

(05-08-2021, 04:35 AM)Branduil Wrote: I think one player the Pacers would probably be really interested in would be Maxi. He would fit really well with Sabonis as a stretch big who can guard the perimeter.

I wonder how many people here would be willing to do a Maxi+Powell for Brogdon trade? I could see Indiana trading Myles Turner for Rozier after that, and the Mavs could still go after Holmes and do the Thad Young for JRich trade.

(05-08-2021, 07:08 AM)Branduil Wrote: I guess I don't understand why you think Brogdon, a very good shooter and passer, is a bad fit next to Luka, but you think Derozan, who can't shoot at all and plays zero defense, is a good fit. It seems to me that we need to stop messing around with putting non-shooters next to Luka.

(05-08-2021, 08:13 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yes, Markkanen is a casualty.  Chicago basically has two paths.  Create cap room for another good player and take the risk of LaVine as a UFA in 22.  Or, they can use space to renegotiate and extend Lavine and lock him down.  Markkanen hasn't been a priority for Chicago since the Vucevic trade.  Unless he is to be used as part of a S&T with a team that will still have cap room after the deal, there isn't a role for him in either scenario.   

Chicago needs $14.2mm in space to renegotiate LaVine and then give him his max extension.  The Orlando deal left them a couple million shy without their cap holds on Markkanen and others.  The swap of JRich's opt-in amount for T. Young's 21 salary gets them that needed additional space.  Two of the cap holds Chicago is letting go of (Temple and Valentine) play fairly significant minutes for the Bulls which would be replaced by Richardson.

(05-08-2021, 08:35 AM)Mapka Wrote: I might be wrong, but to me he is just what JRich or Delon are.

(05-08-2021, 08:35 AM)Mapka Wrote: I've seen Brogdon did score this year - but there was no progression before.

I might be wrong, but to me he is just what JRich or Delon are.

(05-08-2021, 04:35 AM)Branduil Wrote: I think one player the Pacers would probably be really interested in would be Maxi. He would fit really well with Sabonis as a stretch big who can guard the perimeter.

I wonder how many people here would be willing to do a Maxi+Powell for Brogdon trade? I could see Indiana trading Myles Turner for Rozier after that, and the Mavs could still go after Holmes and do the Thad Young for JRich trade.

Luka / Brunson
Brogdon / Burke
DFS / Green
Holmes / Young
KP / WCS

(05-08-2021, 09:28 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: KP and Brunson for Brog and Turner. That solves a lot of problems for the team.

(05-08-2021, 08:41 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Just a heads up but it has been widely reported that Lavine is expected to forego his extension.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/zach-lavine-likely-to-decline-contract-extension-this-offseason-become-free-agent-in-2022-per-report/#:~:text=NBA%20Draft%20Coverage-,Zach%20LaVine%20likely%20to%20decline%20contract%20extension%20this%20offseason%2C%20become,agent%20in%202022%2C%20per%20report&text=With%20the%20bulk%20of%20the,less%2Dheralded%20class%20of%202022.

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I think you're really underestimating Brogdon here.  The guy is averaging 21.5 a game so I don't understand the concerns with scoring.

(05-08-2021, 08:41 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Just a heads up but it has been widely reported that Lavine is expected to forego his extension.
 

(05-08-2021, 09:36 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I like Brogdon but the Mavs need a few things and not just a ball handler. 

They need a guy that can be a ball handler but  also a ISO scorer that can demand double teams which is why Derozan is at the top of my list but I fear he will be a Laker. 

The other guy I like is Dennis Schroeder should he leave the Lakers. 

The guy we get needs to be able to be a creator while also able to create and score consistently 

My top 5 choices in that regard are 

1. Zach Lavine
2. Demar Derozan 
3. Kyle Lowery 
4. Mike Conley 
5. Spencer Dinwiddie 

Brogdon would be on that list for me as well but again his game is more facilitate and spot up shoot. We need a guy that can score at multiple levels like Luka.

(05-07-2021, 11:39 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Player and agent want the money a year early, but they have the threat and can excert pressure to get other things.  JRich's involvement accomplishes more than just doing a favor for Duffy.