(05-06-2021, 09:34 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: DFS was excellent tonight as the PF. I think it could work having him there part time(if needed) once we trade KP

(05-06-2021, 10:00 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: We need one of those Kamm with/without charts.

(05-06-2021, 10:10 PM)Kammrath Wrote: This is the best I got:

(05-06-2021, 10:10 PM)Kammrath Wrote: This is the best I got:

(05-06-2021, 10:00 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Now that is an interesting thought.  It isn't that the team is bad when DFS is playing PF.  It is the team is bad when DFS plays PF next to KP.  Hmmm.  We need one of those Kamm with/without charts.

(05-06-2021, 11:25 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: That’s about the best i could find too. It’s hard to get exact lineup info like that. And even so i don’t think we even have the ability to test it out to see if it truly works. Every time he’s at PF it usually means THj or another undersized guard is at the 3. The most minutes have KP at the 5. Neither of those situations IMO gives us a true indication of what it would be like. 

To really test it out you need a legit C that’s capable of playing D(New Powell and WCS would work). And we’d need someone at the 3 who isn’t so undersized. My theory is if we were able to get a high quality 3 through trade or FA we could pull the trigger and still keep DFS as a starter if we wanted. 

In this new NBA it just seems that you can’t have too many 6’7” players on the court. There’s a league wide shortage and we only have one

(05-06-2021, 02:43 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Lots of discussion on Holmes. My concern with him is that several teams are interested in him and need/want him more than the Mavs do.

Kirk on MMB has brought this point up a lot which I agree with and that's that the Mavs need a ball mover in the worst way. Josh Green might be our second best passer which is really saying something.

Luka is very high usage and we have seen THJ, Brunson can score but they are ball movers. We have spacer guys that will swing the ball (sometimes) but again are not playmakers.

J Rich was supposed to be at least a little bit of a playmaker but he is just a mess all the way around.

Mavs got to get a guy that moves the ball and makes plays other than Luka. As much as I like Holmes I think resurgence of Powell makes upgrading that position lower on the list. I also think a ball-move might actually get KP the freaking ball which then solves our KP problem.

If you can get a legit starting SG that can play-make and keep THJ are your 6th man scorer I think that is a successful offseason.

(05-06-2021, 03:55 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I wonder if there could be some kind of Duffy-approved J Rich for Dragic trade that would allow Mavs to stay over the cap.

(05-07-2021, 07:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think I already proposed the most logical JRich deal that results in Duffy being happy.


Hint:  He got 8 assists last night playing PF
 

Thaddeus Young would definitely be a ball mover when Luka sits.

As a reminder, Chicago is a place where Duffy has a ton of influence.  They now have Vucevic and want to extend LaVine.  If Duffy says they needs to give JRich an extension after trading for him, I bet they do it.  Add in the fact Chicago is short the space needed to get a max extension.  Swapping JRich (at his opt-in amount) for Thaddeus Young gets Chicago almost exactly what they need in space to do the max extension for LaVine.  Also, JRich fills an actual need as Temple and Valentine play the same position and are both free this summer.

Now, don't ask me how Young fits with the rest of the front court as I have no idea who the rest of the front court is at this point.  Earlier this week Hollinger did a "most-underrated" piece for The Athletic.  In it he cited Raptor, EPM and Lebron when he made his argument for how good Gobert is.  If that combo is good enough for Hollinger...  So, I looked at player ranks in each for several of our favorite targets.  Young comes in at 28th, 49th and 65th respectively (average is 47).  That is way better than Collins, Holmes, Markkanen or any current Mav big.  BTW, probably THE best player we could target if the idea was to find someone who shows well in those three metrics would be Conley (11th, 10th and 18th).  Players like Lowry, DeRozan, Graham, Ball and Rozier don't come close.

Powell/T Young/WCS
KP/Maxi
DFS/Green
Conley
Luka/Brunson

(05-07-2021, 07:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think I already proposed the most logical JRich deal that results in Duffy being happy.


Hint:  He got 8 assists last night playing PF
 

Thaddeus Young would definitely be a ball mover when Luka sits.

As a reminder, Chicago is a place where Duffy has a ton of influence.  They now have Vucevic and want to extend LaVine.  If Duffy says they needs to give JRich an extension after trading for him, I bet they do it.  Add in the fact Chicago is short the space needed to get a max extension.  Swapping JRich (at his opt-in amount) for Thaddeus Young gets Chicago almost exactly what they need in space to do the max extension for LaVine.  Also, JRich fills an actual need as Temple and Valentine play the same position and are both free this summer.

Now, don't ask me how Young fits with the rest of the front court as I have no idea who the rest of the front court is at this point.  Earlier this week Hollinger did a "most-underrated" piece for The Athletic.  In it he cited Raptor, EPM and Lebron when he made his argument for how good Gobert is.  If that combo is good enough for Hollinger...  So, I looked at player ranks in each for several of our favorite targets.  Young comes in at 28th, 49th and 65th respectively (average is 47).  That is way better than Collins, Holmes, Markkanen or any current Mav big.  BTW, probably THE best player we could target if the idea was to find someone who shows well in those three metrics would be Conley (11th, 10th and 18th).  Players like Lowry, DeRozan, Graham, Ball and Rozier don't come close.

Powell/T Young/WCS
KP/Maxi
DFS/Green
Conley
Luka/Brunson

(05-07-2021, 11:15 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: With Indiana looking like they're going to make some massive changes it feels like Malcolm Brogdon's future there is in question.  Based on the type of player they want to put next to Luka, you gotta think he's on the front office's radar.  We need someone who can defend opposing PGs and run the office from time to time when Luka is getting constantly swarmed.  Delon Wright and Josh Richardson on paper are supposed to be that player and while they haven't lived up to expectations, it feels like the front office hasn't really swayed from the idea that they are the TYPE of player we need as Luka's backcourt mate.  Brogdon would be a major upgrade.

(05-07-2021, 11:49 AM)omahen Wrote: I agree SG spot is in highest need of an upgrade. Our demands are extremely high for this position (elite 3-D with playmaking), so what can we even get. Free agency basically offers RFA Ball and some aged guys which might not have Dallas as their top option (Conley, Lowry, CP3) and can always also backfire badly if it doesn't work. If I look at guys under contract that are not exactly top stars and fit the description: Brogdon, Murray and White from SA, FVV. Did I forgot anyone? 

The big question - can you get any of the above without trading KP? All of them are on teams that are a bit of a mistery. All of them clearly need a star, but have the ammo to try and get that star by trade. Will any of them really go into rebuild? Indy is a very good team on the paper, but hasn't worked for two seasons now with two different coaches. So how long do they keep trying? Rebuilding was not their modus operandi in the past - they rather traded their established players for up and coming pieces. But they desperately need very high ceiling guy(s). I think Toronto is in a very similar position. San Antonio I think wants to give Pop most wins in history and they need another (at least) average season for that. So I don't think they will go for a big rebuild. Could go season after that.

(05-07-2021, 11:15 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: With Indiana looking like they're going to make some massive changes it feels like Malcolm Brogdon's future there is in question.  Based on the type of player they want to put next to Luka, you gotta think he's on the front office's radar.  

(05-07-2021, 07:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Thaddeus Young would definitely be a ball mover when Luka sits.

Conley

(05-07-2021, 12:00 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: One would think so...