(05-04-2021, 01:01 PM)omahen Wrote: Building from this question with frontcourt filled with Holmes and Markkanen. My best option would be Charlotte or a three way with Indiana for Brogdon+. But lets assume these two are not on the table. Would you trade KP for:
- Kemba and a couple of picks (not really interested in any of their young guards/SF)?
- Dinwiddie, Shamet and Claxton? Not really sure where to finds minutes for everyone
- one for Kamm with Detroit  taking a shortcut from rebuild: Hayes, Bey and 2021 FRP (let's say pick is not top3, otherwise no way from Detroit)?
- Beverly, Kennard and Zubac (he would have to be traded to third team as there would be no place with Holmes at C)?
- Robinson, Dragic and Achiuwa?
- FVV, Hood and pick?

(05-04-2021, 11:54 AM)Mapka Wrote: It's easy - if KP is healthy every team is in for a Kings ransom.

He is not. So teams will offer no real value.

We can gift away him or keep him as a lottery ticket ourself.

(05-04-2021, 03:05 PM)cow Wrote: The ship has sailed on KP being healthy and returning equal value.  He also is not as transcendent, dominant or impactful as an AD or Embiid so having him for 60% of your games isn't as easy of a pill to swallow.

As far as who would want him, I think the list will be pretty short.  It needs to be a team ready for a championship push and not risk averse.  I don't really see the desire for an up-and-coming team to trade for him which is why the Charlotte idea doesn't make a lot of sense as they'd be much better with organic growth at this stage of their team's development.  Maybe you look at bottom feeding teams but none of those team names jump out to me as being a fit either.  Maybe you could sucker the new Rockets ownership...

(05-04-2021, 02:35 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: KP makes sense for the Pelicans. Only player that's a clear upgrade for the Mavs is Ingram. I just don't find it realistic.

(05-04-2021, 01:31 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Even Atlanta. They have been disappointed with Dunn, so maybe Collins + Dunn for Kleber + Richardson.

(05-04-2021, 01:55 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Outside the box idea. Is a Heat trade legal?

KP + Richardson for Robinson + Achiuwa + Dragic + picks

(05-04-2021, 01:31 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Can't see the Mavs trading KP to a team within their division. Maybe if they offer Ingram though...

(05-04-2021, 04:57 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Collins numbers have definitely dipped this year. That along with his usage in ATL (ie getting a lesser role in the offense) makes me think he's very gettable.

He had two seasons at 20/10, so it's not surprising he would turn down a big extension.

This year more like 17/7 at 29 mpg. Mavs might actually be able to get him with just a healthy contract that ATL won't be inclined to match. It is curious that the Hawks didn't trade him at the TDL but my guess is they feel like that could get similar value in a S&T. Salary matching will be harder in a S&T so honestly I am not sure what they are thinking.

(05-04-2021, 04:20 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I believe several teams would be interested, it just comes down the price. If the asking price is the moon, well then no team is going to want him. There aren't enough stars to go around and KP has enough upside to be considered a star or near-star.

I have brought up the Wizards as an example before. Like would they trade their whole team + picks for KP to create a big 3 that is actually an interesting basketball team? What's their other option? Beal and Westbrook are both all-stars that won't be around that much longer, Beal in particular. KP would make that team pretty interesting.

I bring them up bc there was an article that the Wizards were "monitoring" the KP situation earlier this year. Again if you are the Wiz, what's your best chance to create a 3-star team that people actually think has a chance to do anything?

That's just one example, not saying Mavs would be interested in Wiz pieces but there are others (GSW oft mentioned).

(05-04-2021, 01:01 PM)omahen Wrote: Would you trade KP for:
- Kemba and a couple of picks (not really interested in any of their young guards/SF)?
- Dinwiddie, Shamet and Claxton? Not really sure where to finds minutes for everyone
- one for Kamm with Detroit  taking a shortcut from rebuild: Hayes, Bey and 2021 FRP (let's say pick is not top3, otherwise no way from Detroit)?
- Beverly, Kennard and Zubac (he would have to be traded to third team as there would be no place with Holmes at C)?
- Robinson, Dragic and Achiuwa?
- FVV, Hood and pick?

(05-04-2021, 06:39 PM)Kammrath Wrote: NO on Kemba.

NO on Dinwiddie and company.

HELL YES on Hayes, Bey and 2021 FRP!!!!!

NO on Bev and company.

YES on Robinson, Achiuwa and Dragic.

NO on FVV.

(05-04-2021, 06:42 PM)omahen Wrote: Looks like KP is not that bad

(05-04-2021, 06:45 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I think he is a BAD FIT on this team and needs to go.

(05-04-2021, 06:09 PM)cow Wrote: If Toronto and Charlotte are gunning for Holmes, I'd put us in 3red place as far as recruiting ability.  Maybe you could money whip him but I'd assume Charlotte would do the same thing.


If I put on my Wizards GM hat, I don't want KP.  What's the ceiling for that team?  Making it to the second round of the playoffs?  Depending on how many bits and pieces I'd have to trade, that big three might be a worse team than what I have now.  If I'm sure Beal is leaving, I'd just trade him and restart the rebuild process while Westbrooks racks up as many stats as he'd like.  

I think KP's demand is going to be pretty low unless the Mavs are having a fire sale.  He's expensive and has shown as many injuries as he has flashes of greatness.  Everyone here what's to trade to the dude, so ask yourself what you'd be willing to pay for him if he were available based on what we've seen in his Dallas tenure.

(05-04-2021, 06:49 PM)omahen Wrote: Even so, looks like you are not THAT desperate to see him go

(05-04-2021, 06:58 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I just think there are other viable trades I would do rather than some of those. But maybe I am wrong about what is viable.

(05-04-2021, 03:05 PM)cow Wrote: The ship has sailed on KP being healthy and returning equal value.  He also is not as transcendent, dominant or impactful as an AD or Embiid so having him for 60% of your games isn't as easy of a pill to swallow.

As far as who would want him, I think the list will be pretty short.  It needs to be a team ready for a championship push and not risk averse.  I don't really see the desire for an up-and-coming team to trade for him which is why the Charlotte idea doesn't make a lot of sense as they'd be much better with organic growth at this stage of their team's development.  Maybe you look at bottom feeding teams but none of those team names jump out to me as being a fit either.  Maybe you could sucker the new Rockets ownership...