(12-24-2020, 02:42 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: J-Rich makes no sense. He´s a UFA and would likely just walk.

Indiana usually likes to have players. I don´t think you can talk anybody into Powell. Batum was the only chance for that.

Oladipo + Turner for THJ + Kleber + Brunson + Green + Johnson, maybe throw in another pick.

(12-24-2020, 02:42 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: J-Rich makes no sense. He´s a UFA and would likely just walk.

Indiana usually likes to have players. I don´t think you can talk anybody into Powell. Batum was the only chance for that.

Oladipo + Turner for THJ + Kleber + Brunson + Green + Johnson, maybe throw in another pick.

(12-24-2020, 09:49 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: My knee jerk is to start Burke and bench THJ...

(12-24-2020, 02:42 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: J-Rich makes no sense. He´s a UFA and would likely just walk.

Indiana usually likes to have players. I don´t think you can talk anybody into Powell. Batum was the only chance for that.

Oladipo + Turner for THJ + Kleber + Brunson + Green + Johnson, maybe throw in another pick.

(12-24-2020, 02:54 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs wouldn't do that. It appears that Turner is a negative asset because of his contract so you aren't give up assets for Turner. I wonder in fact if they would use Dipo to get off of Turner's contract.

(12-24-2020, 03:39 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I don't know about that one.  Turner is the 62nd highest paid player in the league and The Athletic ranked him somewhere between 62 and 80 in its recent player ranking.  I suspect Indy would expect a pretty good return for Turner.  I think the questionable value is the Dipo rental.  

The age old question is still one of fit...mainly defensively.  Can Turner and KP play together?  Is he that elusive guy who can spread the floor, guard AD in the post and take on scoring wings on the perimeter when teams go small.  I'm beginning to think that guy is more of a "unicorn" than THE Unicorn.

(12-24-2020, 03:39 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I don't know about that one.  Turner is the 62nd highest paid player in the league and The Athletic ranked him somewhere between 62 and 80 in its recent player ranking.  I suspect Indy would expect a pretty good return for Turner.  I think the questionable value is the Dipo rental.  

The age old question is still one of fit...mainly defensively.  Can Turner and KP play together?  Is he that elusive guy who can spread the floor, guard AD in the post and take on scoring wings on the perimeter when teams go small.  I'm beginning to think that guy is more of a "unicorn" than THE Unicorn.

(12-24-2020, 03:50 PM)cow Wrote: Turner's reasonable contract and the absurdity of  returned value in recent trades makes me think you are right.

As far as the perfect pairing for KP, I keep thinking of Dwight Powell analogs as that seems like the Mavs goal.  You'd want someone super athletic that can rim run and finish around the basket and someone that would improve on Dwight's rebounding, defense and outside shot making ability.  That doesn't really feel like Turner to me.  His name comes up a lot around here but that really feels like Aaron Gordon.

(12-24-2020, 03:56 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Who are you thinking could be that improved version of what Dwight Powell brings?

(12-24-2020, 04:00 PM)cow Wrote: Again, Aaron Gordon.  Gordon's all around better of course but I'd categorize them in similar buckets.

(12-24-2020, 03:56 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: So for what it's worth I was listening to the BS pod this week and Russillo said that he asked some execs if they were tire-kicking on Turner and they were like "what, no?" (I am paraphrasing). It is interesting that Boston didn't want him essentially for free.

To your question ya it's a good one - can Turner and KP play together? If not then the Mavs wouldn't pursue. Right now Turner is having to guard the perimeter more when he plays with Sabonis. I am interested if I can get Turner in a pure like dump situation. I am not sure whether the Pacers are there quite yet but honestly they might be. If you send back Johnson they might be good with that simply bc they could probably find a better fitting player via some other trade (such as one that sends out Oladipo) or wait until the offseason to get a guy for MLE.

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Who are you thinking could be that improved version of what Dwight Powell brings?

(12-24-2020, 04:57 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgVqd9smfVg

(12-24-2020, 06:06 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Here is a trade that works

Pacers Receive
Al Horford
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Jalen Brunson 
Pick Compensation

Dallas Receives
Victor Oladipo
Miles Turner
Gorge Hill

OKC receives
Dwight Powell
James Johnson
Pick Compensation

OKC saves almost 20 million, gets draft compensation, plus young player 
Indiana adds defensive big that compliments Sabonis and is under contract
Technically he is Miles Turner but better defensively and Hardaway Jr is a rental expiring contract to fill Oladipo

(12-24-2020, 06:06 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Here is a trade that works

Pacers Receive
Al Horford
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Jalen Brunson 
Pick Compensation

Dallas Receives
Victor Oladipo
Miles Turner
Gorge Hill

OKC receives
Dwight Powell
James Johnson
Pick Compensation

OKC saves almost 20 million, gets draft compensation, plus young player 
Indiana adds defensive big that compliments Sabonis and is under contract
Technically he is Miles Turner but better defensively and Hardaway Jr is a rental expiring contract to fill Oladipo

(12-24-2020, 06:06 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Here is a trade that works

Pacers Receive
Al Horford
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Jalen Brunson 
Pick Compensation

Dallas Receives
Victor Oladipo
Miles Turner
Gorge Hill

OKC receives
Dwight Powell
James Johnson
Pick Compensation

OKC saves almost 20 million, gets draft compensation, plus young player 
Indiana adds defensive big that compliments Sabonis and is under contract
Technically he is Miles Turner but better defensively and Hardaway Jr is a rental expiring contract to fill Oladipo

(12-24-2020, 06:06 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Here is a trade that works

Pacers Receive
Al Horford
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Jalen Brunson 
Pick Compensation

Dallas Receives
Victor Oladipo
Miles Turner
Gorge Hill

OKC receives
Dwight Powell
James Johnson
Pick Compensation

OKC saves almost 20 million, gets draft compensation, plus young player 
Indiana adds defensive big that compliments Sabonis and is under contract
Technically he is Miles Turner but better defensively and Hardaway Jr is a rental expiring contract to fill Oladipo