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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 04:37 PM)F Gump Wrote: Graham via sign-and-trade, with Powell going the other way? CHA does need a center.
Get er done Donnie
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:38 PM)Kammrath Wrote: If I can get RH, then DR is my absolute next preference.
A Holmes+Robinson offseason would be incredible.
I don't see why Miami would let Robinson go. Low cap hold. You'd probably need a S&T deal to make them think about it (like Brunson).
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:38 PM)Kammrath Wrote: If I can get RH, then DR is my absolute next preference.
A Holmes+Robinson offseason would be incredible.
Q.e.d.
That´s exactly what the Mavs will think. Richaun Holmes and Duncan Robinson are the ceiling. HELL NO. We need (SUPER)STARS, not guys about whom you´d say: if he ever makes an All-Star/All-NBA team, it´s a miracle.
I´m not hating on Robinson, but it has been proven over and over again in the last decade. You get/need three All-Stars and then you add the roleplayers.
Of course that would also require asset management. TRY. Fail. Acquire more assets. TRY. Fail. Acquire more assets. SUCCEED.
What the Mavs do is: TRY. Fail. TRY. Fail. TRY. Fail. Lower your goals.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - bodhisattva - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 04:12 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Theis is one of the best case scenarios. Can defend multiple positions and protects the rim. Also a good screener. Obviously not as good of a finisher. I actually prefer Theis because I think that Holmes will get at least 15m. In that case Theis for 5-10m and more money to upgrade the wing/guard positions is the better option.
Yeah I agree. I think Holmes will be highly sought for, and as such will make between 15-20m. Mavs already have 2 players that fit your description perfectly. Powell and Melli. And you are telling me you would like another player like that? Keep in mind one of the bigger Celtics problems this season is the same that Mavs have. Small frontcourt with Theis, Thompson and Williams.
Are you telling me you would be happy if Mavs starting frontcourt next season is KP and Theis? How is that better than Powell or WCS? I mean maybe marginally, but does it gets us over Denver? Never mind LAC or Jazz?
Get out of here people, I would rather have Bobby Portis. Mavs need old school center. Period.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 04-29-2021
Warriors I think would definitely do KP for Minney + Wiggins. Pacers might like that Minney pick. How about Pacers send Brogdon, Warren in that 3 way and Mavs also still have plenty of cap space to sign Holmes + another piece or two.
Main rotation pieces would be:
Luka
Brogdon/Brunson
DFS/Warren
Maxi/FA
Holmes/Powell/rMLE
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 05:40 PM)bodhisattva Wrote: Yeah I agree. I think Holmes will be highly sought for, and as such will make between 15-20m.
Holmes is not getting 20. Where is anyone getting that from. Is 15 possible? Yes sure. Not 20. He has been around for many years and not done anything. This year his numbers are good but not 20 mil good. I would put his number around the Wood number so 12-15/yr.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ItsGoTime - 04-29-2021
Timmy upping his SnT value tonight!!!
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Omega_Supreme - 04-29-2021
The more I think about this KP crap, the more I think we will end up settling for a deal similar to this
Dallas Receives
Al Horford
Darius Bazley
Two 2021 1st Round Picks
OKC Receives
KP
How would you guys feel about this trade?
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - omahen - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:23 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: How would you guys feel about this trade?
Unless those two picks are in the top five, I would feel very bad
I don't understand how a trade like this makes us better.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:23 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: How would you guys feel about this trade?
Honestly I would do almost ANY trade right now. KP just feels like a physical and psychological anchor to this team.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cow - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:23 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: How would you guys feel about this trade?
MBT and draft picks.
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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Omega_Supreme - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:26 PM)cow Wrote: MBT and draft picks.
They can move the picks for something more valuable
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cow - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:28 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: They can move the picks for something more valuable
You have a lot more faith in the MBT than I do.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:23 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: The more I think about this KP crap, the more I think we will end up settling for a deal similar to this
Dallas Receives
Al Horford
Darius Bazley
Two 2021 1st Round Picks
OKC Receives
KP
How would you guys feel about this trade?
OKC isnt trading for KP
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Omega_Supreme - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Honestly I would do almost ANY trade right now. KP just feels like a physical and psychological anchor to this team.
I agree I much more prefer a salary dump, if we could just dump him to OKC I would love that. I would be cool with a small return and draft capital to move for other pieces. Removing 31 million from the cap may be the best thing KP can bring us. We can make some things happen with that extra cap room. You could essentially just dump KP to OKC and maybe not even take Horford back as they are rebuilding.
Take draft compensation and a few players and start acquiring assets
Take KP's 31 Million and sign Lonzo Ball, maybe try and trade for some other pieces and upgrade with the leftover cap room.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 04-29-2021
I am still interested in JC for KP swap, then sign RH.
I think a Collins and Holmes frontcourt with Luka would be deadly.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Omega_Supreme - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I am still interested in JC for KP swap, then sign RH.
I think a Collins and Holmes frontcourt with Luka would be deadly.
A playoff team is not going to take a chance on KP, if his knee injury is serious which it could be since its likely a no contact injury then KP is damaged goods.
I think as Mavs fans the sooner we come to that realization the better.
The best we can hope for is a salary dump and maybe some draft compensation.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - loki - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:24 PM)omahen Wrote: Unless those two picks are in the top five, I would feel very bad
I don't expect any realistic KP trade to make the Mavs better short term. That shouldn't stop them from moving him though.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - KillerLeft - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 09:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I am still interested in JC for KP swap, then sign RH.
I think a Collins and Holmes frontcourt with Luka would be deadly.
The problem is KP. Can't pick and choose. He's a unicorn (in a bad way), meaning he's a unique player requiring a unique fit. We, Mavs fans, are learning how pointless it is to try to create that fit. More trouble than it's worth. I suspect that 2-3 teams will still want him, but only that many. For the teams who aren't interested, there won't be a "bargain" price that will create interest for them. They simply won't want a fish out of water who might be the highest paid player on the team. Mavs need to identify those 2-3 teams, take what they can get, and MOVE ON. I would've done it at the trade deadline.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 04-30-2021
^ yep
finding a KP trade is going to be challenging