(04-26-2021, 06:58 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Great stuff.  You make a good point.  Two questions...

1.  How much is enough?  What I mean is if KP/DP are 105ish like last year, do we really need 88 or 99 if it hurts the O (BTW, as others have mentioned, last year's KP/DP combo probably saw more time against starters than some of the combos above).

2.  Who replaces KP.  Seems to me you need some combo of rim protection and a 3 point shot.  Myles Turner?  Who else?  If we want to switch everything, who is that forward that does that well AND protects the rim?  And, if we are going to start someone like Powell/WCS/Holmes at one big, doesn't the other one need to be able to hit 3's?  I get that the idea of KP has been better than the reality of KP this season (especially defensively).  But no one is going to give us a better version of KP in a trade for KP.

(04-26-2021, 07:22 AM)Branduil Wrote: Chris Boucher would fit well in that slot, I think. Not sure what it would take to get him from Toronto.

(04-26-2021, 06:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I agree with your point regarding D.  It is certainly better than essentially saying "the seven defensive stats you gave us are flawed, but this one that I picked (the only one that shows Maxi as the better defender), it actually paints an accurate picture".   

(04-25-2021, 10:40 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Got to overpay to get the agents on board and keep the team from matching. I’d do it to roll the dice on some young talent

(04-26-2021, 11:02 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: I think 4 for 60 is a very realistic and good deal for Markkanen. That’s what it cost the wizards to retain Bertans and I think Lauri is a much better player. At least he has the potential to be. And as you said I don’t believe the Bulls are very likely to match because they’re going to go chasing a PG upgrade starting with Lonzo and Schroeder. Just speculating but I’d also be willing to bet that we’re pretty high up on his list of preferred destinations so I don’t think getting him would be that hard. And you’re absolutely right about young talent. This is presumably our last summer in the Luka era with cap flexibility. We need to swing big at adding young talent that help us for the long-haul. Or at least be traded in the future for something that can.

(04-26-2021, 11:02 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: I think 4 for 60 is a very realistic and good deal for Markkanen. That’s what it cost the wizards to retain Bertans and I think Lauri is a much better player. At least he has the potential to be. And as you said I don’t believe the Bulls are very likely to match because they’re going to go chasing a PG upgrade starting with Lonzo and Schroeder. Just speculating but I’d also be willing to bet that we’re pretty high up on his list of preferred destinations so I don’t think getting him would be that hard. And you’re absolutely right about young talent. This is presumably our last summer in the Luka era with cap flexibility. We need to swing big at adding young talent that help us for the long-haul. Or at least be traded in the future for something that can.

(04-26-2021, 11:24 AM)Mavs03 Wrote: Davis Bertans signed a 5 year 80 million contract.  Not sure if Markkanen is worth that deal or 4 years 60 million.  Would rather go another route personally.  Markkanen is a below average defender.

(04-26-2021, 11:24 AM)omahen Wrote: I think Markkanen and Bulls are finished. However, they might still be pressured to match an offer if it would be low. So perhaps a minor compensation for not matching makes everyone happy and you don't need to wait 5 days for the results to come in. I would be affraid more competition would come from a third team. There might be someone who would see him as a longterm cornerstone and offer a contract accordingly. San Antonio is rumored here. Although I think SA would offer him no more than White and Murray got. Something in the up to 65 mil range. I am not sure New York, Charlotte or OKC would have him at the top of their lists.

(04-26-2021, 06:58 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Myles Turner?  Who else?  If we want to switch everything, who is that forward that does that well AND protects the rim?  And, if we are going to start someone like Powell/WCS/Holmes at one big, doesn't the other one need to be able to hit 3's?  I get that the idea of KP has been better than the reality of KP this season (especially defensively).  But no one is going to give us a better version of KP in a trade for KP.

(04-26-2021, 11:24 AM)omahen Wrote: I think Markkanen and Bulls are finished. However, they might still be pressured to match an offer if it would be low. So perhaps a minor compensation for not matching makes everyone happy and you don't need to wait 5 days for the results to come in. I would be affraid more competition would come from a third team. There might be someone who would see him as a longterm cornerstone and offer a contract accordingly. San Antonio is rumored here. Although I think SA would offer him no more than White and Murray got. Something in the up to 65 mil range. I am not sure New York, Charlotte or OKC would have him at the top of their lists.

(04-26-2021, 08:46 AM)Kammrath Wrote: RE: NBA Champion Ratings Chart

There are eight contenders this year...

UTA (4th O, 2nd D, 1st Net)
LAC (1st O, 11th D, 2nd Net)
MIL (5th O, 8th D, 3rd Net)
PHX (7th O, 5th D, 4th Net)
DEN (3rd O, 16th D, 5th Net)
BRK (2nd O, 24th D, 6th Net)
PHI (15th O, 3rd D, 7th Net)
LAL (21st O, 1st D, 8th Net)

Probably 99% the NBA champ comes from that pool.

(04-26-2021, 06:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Almost every NBA team uses a non 3 point shooting center in their rotation.  In fact, on some teams that's all they have.  Yet lesser offensive players than KP seem to be able to make it work at PF.

(04-26-2021, 02:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I agree to an extent. Mavs might be better off with stretch shooter/defender at PF and switchable, rim-rolling 5. That would be a re-architecture of the starting lineup. The big thing the Mavs need whether or not KP stays is a playmaker at that SG spot.

I think you can probably keep KP (warts and all) and upgrade that SG spot and be better overall. As much as we complain ab KP it's not like the Wizards are wearing the Mavs out with Beal for KP offers. My feeling is that Mavs need to hang onto KP unless/until they can an adequate return for his talent.

This biggest thing the Mavs need is an upgrade at the SG spot, I can't understate that enough. I like the 3-headed KP, DP, Maxi rotation right now. I want to see how the Mavs finish the season with that frontcourt.

The J Rich, THJ SG rotation is not good enough. THJ is an good but streaky shooter and an okay player. J Rich is a mess on offense and the Mavs defensive scheme does not take advantage of some of his skills. 

Mavs need a bigtime player at that SG spot of the Lowry, Conley, DeRozan-level quality. Dragic would also be an upgrade there. Dinwiddie is sort of a poor man's option at the right price. Lonzo would definitely qualify but he will have a lot of suitors.

(04-26-2021, 05:02 PM)mvossman Wrote: I agree with all of this with the exception of putting DeRozan in the same group as Lowry/Conley.  He is not nearly as good as those players and regardless of your stance on his offensive fit, I think we need that upgraded SG to be a quality defender.  I have similar reservations regarding Dinwiddle.

I would be interested in Devonte Graham as an alternative to Ball as he might be easier to get (and potentially less headache).

(04-26-2021, 05:02 PM)mvossman Wrote: I agree with all of this with the exception of putting DeRozan in the same group as Lowry/Conley.  He is not nearly as good as those players and regardless of your stance on his offensive fit, I think we need that upgraded SG to be a quality defender.  I have similar reservations regarding Dinwiddle.

I would be interested in Devonte Graham as an alternative to Ball as he might be easier to get (and potentially less headache).

(04-26-2021, 05:05 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Why? You should think he should be above them, cause he´s a legit #1 offensive option, while Lowry/Conley are more 3rd best offensive players?