(04-25-2021, 04:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Is Holmes a guy you can switch though? I haven't watched a lot of him but he doesn't seem like he's lightning quick or anything.

(04-25-2021, 07:13 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Sorry but #9 for KP is a horrible mistake...

(04-25-2021, 07:13 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Sorry but #9 for KP is a horrible mistake...

(04-25-2021, 07:52 PM)loki Wrote: What pick (if any) would you move him for? I don't think he has much more value than #9 since he's probably only available for 50-60 games a year. I'd say whether that trade is a mistake or not depends on what you can turn the pick into and the options it opens up in free agency.

(04-25-2021, 07:59 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am pretty sure Warriors would give up Wiseman/Minney/Wiggins but I don't think Mavs want that type of package. I imagine they would rather have a player or that are at or near the same level as KP himself.

(04-25-2021, 05:29 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Ya I am with RH in the event that KP is moved, else I don't see the Mavs spending resources there. I feel like Mavs will give it another year at least to try to make KP work.

(04-25-2021, 08:36 PM)loki Wrote: I'd be shocked if the Warriors gave up that much. Wiggins has been really solid for them on both ends. There was a thread on realgm not too long ago where Warriors fans didn't even want to give Wiggins straight up for KP. Not saying I agree with their take, but there would be a riot if they gave up Wiseman and a high pick as well.

(04-25-2021, 10:12 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I gottta disagree, every year they try to make it work is a year of possibly wasting Luka's years. I think its safe to say Luka is better utilizing a rim rolling big. I would also say KP's slot is better to be committed to someone that can ISO. 

I think you have to 100% move on from KP ASAP

(04-25-2021, 10:18 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Would you do a trade that looked something like this? 

Dallas Receives 
Richaun Holmes - Resign 17 Million 
Marvin Bagley -
Harrison Barnes (Replaces THJ)

Sacramento Receives
Kristaps Porzingis 
Trey Burke

(04-25-2021, 10:33 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: KP for Brandon Ingram(23yo) straight up

RFA Devonte Graham(26yo) signed 4/80

RFA Sign and trade Markkanen(23yo) 4/60 for opted in Richardson and Burke to Chicago 

Theis(29yo) for the room exception 

Luka/Brunson 
Graham/Green
Ingram/DFS
Markkanen/Maxi
Theis/Powell 

This would be a good young team. Best case scenario IMO

(04-25-2021, 10:34 PM)loki Wrote: I'd pass and just sign Holmes outright. Bagley and Barnes don't do much for me.

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I would do KP for Ingram. Graham and Markkanen seem like overpays at that price though.

(04-25-2021, 10:40 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Got to overpay to get the agents on board and keep the team from matching. I’d do it to roll the dice on some young talent

(04-25-2021, 03:50 PM)mvossman Wrote: I highly question the idea that Powell is the best perimeter defender of the alternatives.  It does not meet the eye test.  They put Maxi on Leonard in the playoffs last year and he held his own.  I can't imagine trying that with DP.  It is hard to find any stat that reasonably rates defense, but with a big enough sample I would lean toward DRPM because it looks at actual on court impact and takes teammates and opponents into account.  Maxi has had a much higher DRPM each of the last three years.  I find it unlikely that given a big enough sample a KP/DP pairing would be better (or even as good) as a KP/Maxi pairing defensively.

I agree there is no question that KP/DP will (and has) work offensively.  I also agree regarding KP success.  I fear that a lot of the things you mention we are doing with him will be less available with Powell clogging up the lane, and that turning him into a 4 will significantly reduce his offensive value.  But it seems apparent that having a true roll man fits Luka's game better and if KP is not going to do it, and he can't operate effectively offensively with someone who can, then we have a real problem.

(04-25-2021, 04:00 PM)mvossman Wrote: I agree with the analysis in general, but the D-rating stats require a huge grain of salt, not just because of the small sample but also because a lot of those minutes are probably against second units.

If we do decide to go away from KP (which would mean getting reasonable value in a trade) guys like Holmes and Theis would make sense in your switch heavy scheme.

(04-25-2021, 10:54 PM)Mapka Wrote: Maxi is the better one-on-one defender against super-bigger-wings (lets asume he's over long covid), but Powell is the better team defender.

He struggles when left on a island with Randle or JV but this kind of offense seems to cost the other team over time.

DP is never clogging anything with Luka having the ball.
- If the big is staying under the basket, it's an automatic open three after the pick or one further pass.
- If they are trapping -  see last game. By the way nobody even tries trapping with KP on the court more than once.
- if the big is showing that's when KP can cut and  I love that.

You could say a roleman setting a pick frees up KP , because he doesn't have to set a pick then.

(04-25-2021, 02:17 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I think we can all agree that the team has a higher offensive ceiling with KP on the floor but personally I think the defensive ceiling is much higher without him.
Doesn´t even matter who replaces him as long as the Mavs aren´t going small (DFS, Green or Doncic playing PF).

Sample sizes without KP are really small but...

Powell-Melli: 88.2 D-Rating in 81 minutes
Powell-Kleber: 99.8 D-Rating in 249 minutes
WCS-Kleber: 101.9 D-Rating in 180 minutes

Without KP the Mavs can play a modern switch heavy defense. They can hide individual weaknesses on the perimeter with switches and rotations. This is a matter of scheme and coaching preferences.
Continue to build around KP as a more traditional rim protecting big. Play more drop defense in the pick and roll. Less switches. Less rotations. That approach would require some major upgrades on the perimeter. Not to mention that KP himself needs to get back to his pre injury level on defense.
Or move on and focus on the switch heavy scheme. Add fitting pieces that can offer both perimeter defense and rim protection.

(04-26-2021, 06:58 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Great stuff.  You make a good point.  Two questions...

1.  How much is enough?  What I mean is if KP/DP are 105ish like last year, do we really need 88 or 99 if it hurts the O (BTW, as others have mentioned, last year's KP/DP combo probably saw more time against starters than some of the combos above).

2.  Who replaces KP.  Seems to me you need some combo of rim protection and a 3 point shot.  Myles Turner?  Who else?  If we want to switch everything, who is that forward that does that well AND protects the rim?  And, if we are going to start someone like Powell/WCS/Holmes at one big, doesn't the other one need to be able to hit 3's?  I get that the idea of KP has been better than the reality of KP this season (especially defensively).  But no one is going to give us a better version of KP in a trade for KP.