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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 01:08 PM)michaeltex Wrote: It seems like only needing him to score 15-20 a night instead of 25+ to win would be the direction to move.
I think ideal usage of Luka would have him scoring ~21 pts with ~13 asts a night, with most of his scoring coming in the 4th quarter.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cow - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 01:12 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I think ideal usage of Luka would have him scoring ~21 pts with ~13 asts a night, with most of his scoring coming in the 4th quarter.
If I had to guess, Luka's scoring goals are much loftier than that. I do think he cares about stats.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 01:12 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I think ideal usage of Luka would have him scoring ~21 pts with ~13 asts a night, with most of his scoring coming in the 4th quarter.
Why? Lebron was 25 and 10 last year and averages 27 for his career. People talk about him deferring too much.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 04:40 PM)mvossman Wrote: Why? Lebron was 25 and 10 last year and averages 27 for his career. People talk about him deferring too much.
Because I think Luka has Nash ability to get everyone involved (better than Lebron) and I think it prolongs Luka's career and longevity to not have to score almost 30 a game.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - SleepingHero - 04-22-2021
(04-21-2021, 01:12 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I think ideal usage of Luka would have him scoring ~21 pts with ~13 asts a night, with most of his scoring coming in the 4th quarter.
(04-21-2021, 04:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Because I think Luka has Nash ability to get everyone involved (better than Lebron) and I think it prolongs Luka's career and longevity to not have to score almost 30 a game.
I agree with you that Luka has that ability the likes of the best to ever do it in terms of setting people up and getting them involved. But I think the backbone of that playmaking comes because of his threat to score. Nash probed and probed and probed and was slicing through defenses until he found a pass he liked.
Luka uses the threat of him to score to open up lanes. If Luka toned down his scoring those lanes shrink. Further, despite Luka's otherworld talent of setting people up, his scoring ability is that much better. It'd be a shame for him to turn that down (and possibly a massive mistake).
I think Luka could seriously average 40 a game.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - michaeltex - 04-22-2021
(04-22-2021, 01:08 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I agree with you that Luka has that ability the likes of the best to ever do it in terms of setting people up and getting them involved. But I think the backbone of that playmaking comes because of his threat to score. Nash probed and probed and probed and was slicing through defenses until he found a pass he liked.
Luka uses the threat of him to score to open up lanes. If Luka toned down his scoring those lanes shrink. Further, despite Luka's otherworld talent of setting people up, his scoring ability is that much better. It'd be a shame for him to turn that down (and possibly a massive mistake).
I think Luka could seriously average 40 a game.
I think the threat of him averaging 40ppg is what opens the passing lanes. The difference with the above scenario is he wouldn't have to score 30+ because the rest of the team was more efficient with his setups.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - HanspardsShowerVoice - 04-22-2021
Nash has said his one regret that he would do over is he would have been more aggressive as a scorer because that's often what the defense was giving him and he was too differential to passing. So do I want Luka to score 25 with 15 assists or score 40 with 5 assists? Both? Whichever one is needed to help the Mavs given that partiuclar night against that particular opponent under those particular circumstances.
The Mavs just need to be more varied and diverse in their offensive approach, because a 1 trick pony offense isnt going to work in the playoffs if you have a Nick Nurse on the other side with a high level roster full of high level defendrs gameplanning, implementing and tinkering with ways to take away your 1 trick over the course of a 7 game series.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - omahen - 04-22-2021
I wouldn't be opposed to Lowry. With one condition - help us recruit good players for remaining 9 mil of cap space (Olynik?), mini MLE (Theis?) and BAE (Bazemore?).
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2940581-top-landing-spots-for-nbas-best-2021-free-agents
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 04-22-2021
I would love Lowry but wouldn't the Heat be the favorite to sign him? I know they traded for Oladipo but didn't give up anything for him and he already got injured. Seems like smart money would be on Lowry being the priority.
Mavs certainly aren't going to out-maneuver Heat for Lowry. I also don't think it's impossible that the Raptors resign Lowry.
DeRozan would also be a great add - I do see NYK as a threat since they have a lot of money to throw around.
Lonzo Ball to the Thunder doesn't really make sense to me. He wants to play in a big market. Otherwise, I think that article is right in terms of the likelihood that most of these big names are staying put.
For me Lowry at 2 years is great, 3 years I don't know unless it is partially guaranteed or a TO. Like I said, I think he wants to go to Miami and they will want him so I am not getting my hopes up.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 04-22-2021
So the real interesting game of musical chairs revolves around Oladipo, Lowry, and Dragic. If Lowry goes to Miami then Mavs would be the favorites to land Dragic in some capacity (which is a positive imo). If Miami keeps Oladip and Dragic at least give the Mavs a shot at Lowry.
Oladipo is interesting because he is the bigger name that could be the one without a chair after the music ends. Lets say the Heat do land Lowry, well then who is in the market for Dipo? I think one of the Knicks, Mavs, Raptors may be interested? I know this board doesn't love Dipo but I am interested depending on what's out there, his health, and what kind of contract he would get. If Mavs could get him on like a 2-year team-friendly deal I would have some interest.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ClutchDirk - 04-22-2021
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2940581-top-landing-spots-for-nbas-best-2021-free-agents
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Jason Terry - 04-22-2021
THT looked slow. Wasn’t impressed with the handles or defense. He gets another chance coming up. We’ll see
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - omahen - 04-22-2021
(04-22-2021, 11:42 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: THT looked slow. Wasn’t impressed with the handles or defense. He gets another chance coming up. We’ll see
Yeah. Luka was really enjoying when THT switched on him.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - SleepingHero - 04-23-2021
(04-22-2021, 11:46 PM)omahen Wrote: Yeah. Luka was really enjoying when THT switched on him.
The Mavs actually sought that switch on more than one occasion.
Bad showing for THT tonight. Though he did look good in other games.
(04-22-2021, 02:52 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I would love Lowry but wouldn't the Heat be the favorite to sign him? I know they traded for Oladipo but didn't give up anything for him and he already got injured. Seems like smart money would be on Lowry being the priority.
Mavs certainly aren't going to out-maneuver Heat for Lowry. I also don't think it's impossible that the Raptors resign Lowry.
I'd love Lowry but Bill Simmons basically did a breakdown of old point guards and how many of them last till 35. Spoiler: not that many. And those that do last that long AND maintain their level of play are unicorns. Take for example Cp3. What he's doing is almost unheard of. We'd be banking on Lowry having that similar trajectory and I don't know if I want to risk close to 50 mil on that.
Would much rather go after Dragic who'd be cheaper and fill out that vet role nicely.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - HanspardsShowerVoice - 04-23-2021
(04-21-2021, 12:45 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I have a hard time picturing Mavs/Blazers doing a big deal like that and both walking away feeling like they won the trade. Just seems unlikely they would be trade partners in a blockbuster deal like this.
I don't know about the Mavs and the Blazers doing that trade, but I do absolutely see McCollum being on the block this offseason if the Blazers can't get past the first round of the playoffs. And I do think they're going to want a high level player who can step in right away in return. They're not going to settle for the role player and protected future draft pick pu pu platter that New Orleans got for Jrue when they still have Dame in his prime years. Realistic or not, they have the same sense of urgency and obligation to get Dame a ring as the Mavs felt with Dirk.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - DanSchwartzgan - 04-23-2021
(04-23-2021, 12:22 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:
I'd love Lowry but Bill Simmons basically did a breakdown of old point guards and how many of them last till 35. Spoiler: not that many. And those that do last that long AND maintain their level of play are unicorns. Take for example Cp3. What he's doing is almost unheard of. We'd be banking on Lowry having that similar trajectory and I don't know if I want to risk close to 50 mil on that.
There has already been a bit of a drop off this season, but hard to know if it is age or that his team just isn't what it used to be.
I wouldn't throw a fit if Dallas did this (the story also mentioned Dallas as a destination for Conley...which I like better). I like the UFA status of both, but age and size don't thrill me. Lowry next to Luka is fine, but next to Brunson? I think I'd rather have a bigger guy so I could play any combo of new guy, Luka and Brunson. With that said, if 2 x $25mm is the ask, I think you could start at a lower number and put some of his money in a non-guaranteed 3rd year. Maybe $22mm, $23mm and $5mm guarantee in year 3. Teams do this all the time as a way to have less cap impact in the current year (when we are trying to conserve space). The extra $3 million in year one takes us from slightly under the MLE to being able to outbid any other MLE offer.
Regarding THT, I hope the naysayers aren't jinxing us for Saturday (if so, hopefully I just un-jinxed us. Oh no, if I say that I've un-jinxed a jinx, did that just re-jinx us). He's been pretty strong in April, but didn't get to handle the ball much last night. Speaking of Laker guards, good stuff happens when Caruso is in the game. Other than TO's, there's a lot to like. Good D, good three point shooting. I don't think he's a starter and I don't think he fits a team trying to develop Josh Green. But he is one of those unsung guys who is more valuable than most people realize.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - HanspardsShowerVoice - 04-23-2021
My fear with Lowry is for Dallas to decisively put the best offer on the table you'll have to throw in a 3rd year. He will have a strong market. He won't pick Dallas over Heat, or maybe even the Knicks, unless Dallas is paying the premium.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - michaeltex - 04-23-2021
With all their short contracts, I was looking at LA as possible additions to DAL for next season.
I have a question about Schröder. I haven't watched him much over the years, but it looks like he's been a solid contributor. I wouldn't mind seeing his on-court attitude on the Mavs. It looks like he's a UFA this off season (LA has Bird rights), but he's currently at ~$17MM. Too steep?
Drummond was a rebounding beast. Since KP was playing PF more the last few games and finding success there, would a thick center like Drummond make sense? He's only on the vet min right now after getting bought out in CLE, so he's going to look for a normal contract after this season.
FWIW, THT has been talked up some here, but I didn't see much to impress. At least, he couldn't do much with Luka, but that's not necessarily a criticism.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - HanspardsShowerVoice - 04-23-2021
(04-23-2021, 08:48 AM)michaeltex Wrote: With all their short contracts, I was looking at LA as possible additions to DAL for next season.
I have a question about Schröder. I haven't watched him much over the years, but it looks like he's been a solid contributor. I wouldn't mind seeing his on-court attitude on the Mavs. It looks like he's a UFA this off season (LA has Bird rights), but he's currently at ~$17MM. Too steep?
Drummond was a rebounding beast. Since KP was playing PF more the last few games and finding success there, would a thick center like Drummond make sense? He's only on the vet min right now after getting bought out in CLE, so he's going to look for a normal contract after this season.
FWIW, THT has been talked up some here, but I didn't see much to impress. At least, he couldn't do much with Luka, but that's not necessarily a criticism.
I see THT as a longer term project with a potentially very high ceiling, but might not be more than a rotational piece on a contender for another 2-3 years. He is already a RFA and he's just 1 year older than some of the 1 and done rookies that are going to get drafted. I really think that Oklahoma City should just throw a huge offer sheet at him and see what happens.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 04-23-2021
(04-23-2021, 08:14 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Speaking of Laker guards, good stuff happens when Caruso is in the game. Other than TO's, there's a lot to like. Good D, good three point shooting. I don't think he's a starter and I don't think he fits a team trying to develop Josh Green. But he is one of those unsung guys who is more valuable than most people realize.
Really intriguing option. On paper players that work next to LeBron should be just as good next to Luka. Just really difficult to come up with a number for his next contract. MLE, rE, BAE?