(04-12-2021, 12:46 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Careful, Kamm is going to come after you for that one

(04-12-2021, 12:41 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Just watching the game reinforces to me that its a worthless stat

(04-12-2021, 01:12 PM)mvossman Wrote: It's not a stat you should look at for a single game (although if you were going to read anything into it, it would be that we didn't lose this game due to DR great offense as much as our bench shitting the bed while DR was off the court), but over a large enough sample (last several years) it shows some things that the eye test tends to miss.  It's easy to see him make a lot of shots and clutch shots at the end of the game to look really good.  Its much harder to see the impact of his lack of spacing on the offense or his terrible impact on defense.  He is considered a "star" but he doesn't really provide star impact to overall team performance.

None of this really matters as I don't see him wanting to come here and play second fiddle to Luka.  My guess is he would rather go to a team where he can run the show or ring chase, neither of which applies to us.

(04-12-2021, 12:41 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Just watching the game reinforces to me that its a worthless stat

(04-12-2021, 01:28 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: To take a break from DR talk, another guy that is available and probably for cheap would be Dinwiddie. Coming off of an injury I am not sure what he can expect to get. His numbers are not amazing.

Last year pre-injury, pre-KD & Harden when he was getting a lot of burn he had 20 ppg, 7 FTA and almost 7 APG which would be useful of the bench. Given his situation he could be a guy towards the back half of Mavs A-Z list if/when both Mavs and Dinwiddie's other options dry up.

I think the appeal with Dinwiddie would be getting a third player this offseason on a team-friendly deal that does pass and get to the free throw line.

Offseason would be like:

- J Rich or comparable "defensive" player
- THJ or comparable shooter
- Dinwiddie as your additional scorer, driver, passer

(04-12-2021, 01:49 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: I like it as an outside the box option. I’ve tried to find the exact CBA rules regarding trading for someone like that and including SnT guys but it’s unclear what the rules are. If it’s legal:

Mavs get: Dinwiddie after he opts in plus a 2nd rd pick

Nets get: Redick(1 yr $5 million) and Burke 

Nets do it to get the depth they need. 

Mavs could either keep him or flip him at the deadline for more assets

(04-12-2021, 01:03 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: In DeRozan´s case we have a 864 regular season games sample size. 0.0 on court rating, -2.8 on/off. 12 seasons. Only one with a positive on/off impact (11/12 +3.9). We also have a large sample size (6 seasons) of Lowry playing on the same team. He was a net positive in every single season except for 17/18.

Even more obvious in the playoffs. Again. Not a single season with positive net impact. -7.9 on court. -11.6 on/off. For comparisation: Lowry again with a positive on/off rating in every single one of their playoff runs.

DeRozan´s numbers aren´t a fluke. That´s the story of his entire career.

(04-12-2021, 02:39 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Was just making a light hearted comment in jest. I agree that DeRozan has been an underwhelming player for the majority of his career, as you pointed out. Thought the   gave my tone away.

(04-12-2021, 02:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Get ready for disappointment:

https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1381664360205058056

(04-12-2021, 03:17 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: We’ve talked this summers group of FA/RFA to death. Any idea outside of Brad Beal the next group of players that could be traded would be?

(04-12-2021, 03:46 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I was hoping for an offseason like losing Hardaway and Richardson but gaining Derozan and Richaun Holmes.   I am not sure if both fit into the cap room we have.  It may be close.   Would Derozan and Holmes fit in well here with our current starting lineup?

(04-12-2021, 12:19 PM)StepBackJay Wrote:

• THT - likely stays put
  

(04-12-2021, 04:35 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Brogdon, Turner, OG, Siakim, Heild,

(04-12-2021, 11:48 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well said, and I 100% agree with every word here. 

However, I can't help but feel like the catch and shoot game (not at a Redick level, but hopefully better than DeRozan's) is a necessary component of this hypothetical added creator. Otherwise, you'll be making a new problem to solve the one you have now. Yes, on-ball Luka needs to be lessened some, for a variety of reasons, but I can't envision any scenario (that improves the team) in which it's not still the most often used approach.

I think a guy with DeRozan's game could help, but imho, not him, specifically, due to age, cost and his deserved feeling that he's an All-Star level player who should start and have the ball in his hands a LOT. I mean, if he wants to come here and play 25 minutes per, maybe even off the bench, AWESOME! But, I think he probably has his eyes on a role similar to Luka's, only on a team that doesn't have a Luka. Just my opinion, tho.

(04-12-2021, 06:01 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If that’s the role he wants then he doesn’t want to come here and it’s all a moot point.