(04-10-2021, 12:12 AM)cow Wrote: Stats aren't the end all be all for a player.  The sample size is tiny.  He's 20.  DFS is 27 and worth way more than his 4M for his contract.  I also don't think THT is going to get the max but 4/64 doesn't seem out of the question.  I'm fine with not liking him but watch the dude play instead of just referencing splits.

(04-10-2021, 08:46 AM)omahen Wrote: Didn't nearly see THT enough to judge him, but 20 mil per year seems like huge risk for still relatively unproven player, jumping into much bigger role. One thing is certain though - Lakers would certainly be willing to listen to SnT. So why not instead of money whipping them, go for JRich-THT double SnT? I guess everyone could see a benefit there. JRich remains on a contender in an important role, Lakers get proven player they need short term (and can't sign any other way), Mavs get THT at more reasonable salary. I doubt there will be teams waiting in line throwing 20 per offers to him. Something in the range of 10-13 mil per should be more than enough, imho.

Edit: Strike double SnT, Lakers can't afford SnT JRich as they will be way over hard cap. He would have to opt in and then sign extension with Lakers. Not really that unrealistic, imho.

(04-10-2021, 05:37 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Sorry, but anyone who would reduce his potential to his current splits just isn’t paying attention.

(04-10-2021, 05:37 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: With all of the injuries, he’s getting 24 minutes in those three games and putting up 16/3.7/2.3 on .599 TS%.  The team is +6.8 when he’s on the floor largely because of the D-Rating of 98.  The Lakers have won two of the three games w/o Lebron and w/o AD.  Sample size too small?  He’s had 19 games of 20-29 minutes this season with very similar numbers 12/3.7/3.2.  The team is +5.6 with a D-Rating of 103 and THT has a TS% of .560...AT 20!!!  BTW, per 36, the box score numbers are 18/5.5/4.8.  Screen for that and you get 20 players.  The non-bigs include names like Luka, Lebron, Mitchell, Curry, Middleton Hayward, Ingram.

You know who isn’t on the list?  Bogdonovic who got $18mm per last off-season, Hield who got $24mm.  Siakam barely misses two criteria.  Booker barely misses two criteria as does DeRozan.  What do every one of these guys on both lists have in common?  They get paid and they aren’t 20.  BTW, this isn’t a MAX contract.  The most THT can get is an average of $20.7.  The structure would keep Dallas under the tax for two more years.  If LA does match, you’ve put them in LT hell for years to come.  I think Cow is right on this.  Jalen and Talen does sound pretty nifty.

(04-10-2021, 09:28 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: For what LA needs from its center position, they might value WCS as an inexpensive ST solution

(04-10-2021, 09:28 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: You aren’t limited in what you can pay THJ in this scenario and you have the big MLE.

(04-10-2021, 07:52 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Pretty much this ^^

(04-10-2021, 09:35 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Ok I see where you're coming from. Most detailed breakdown on THT so far. I'm starting to get *it*.  THT in theory does seem like a perfect piece for the bench, or even as a starter, if he is as good as advertised. 

I'm going to watch more Laker games (barf) to see what you guys are on about. I will admit that the average of $20.7 poison pill contract scares the hell outta me. I think it's a considerable amount for a player that has had 1 solid season and hasn't been the bastion of consistency. 

But you and Cow make a compelling argument. It's hard for me to say it's a bad idea if I haven't watched him at all.

(04-10-2021, 09:26 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: THT stats are remarkably similar to DFS. I just have one genuine question, what does THT have/do that makes you think he deserves to be paid nearly 6 times the amount of DFS's contract?

(04-10-2021, 09:35 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'm going to watch more Laker games (barf) to see what you guys are on about.

(04-10-2021, 10:20 AM)cow Wrote: Take DFS as the floor for his defense.  Then add the handle to get to the rim at will, the body type that can absorb contact and who can finish.  Willing passer who's shown vision but can turn the ball over.  His shooting stroke looks fine but as Dan mentioned, it's not led to consistency.  

I'm still in the camp that think 4x DFS contract gets him here (4yr 64m).  Could he get a full max offer?  Maybe.  It sure would be fun to screw with the Lakers that way.  Either way it's an overpay, he's not worth that today.  This is all projection that assumes he can become a better shooter, turn the ball over less and use that wingspan and heft to become a versatile, devastating defender.  He's 20 so he's going to get better.  How much better is the 80 million dollar question.  If you hit with him, that number isn't going to seem so bad and you get exactly what we all want next to Luka and someone that is going to compliment whoever is on the floor no matter what the team configuration looks like.

With all that said, there is no chance the MBT go after THT.  They usually don't even sniff the players I'm interested in.  lol

(04-10-2021, 10:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: It is these guys AND ?????

(04-10-2021, 11:16 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: I'm sure we can find an MLE guy (maybe we already have in Redick) to get the THJ role (20mpg microwave) from the bench.

(04-10-2021, 11:37 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I know that you absolutely hate THJ but guys with comparable shooting percentages and volume make 15m +. Not to mention that he isn´t the average bench microwave. 13 players in the league shoot 39%+ from three on 7+ attempts. THJ is one of them. Only two of them make less than the MLE. Duncan Robinson and Garry Trent Jr. Both will be free agents this summer. Wouldn´t be suprised if both get contracts in the 15 (Trent) to 20m (Robinson) range.

Next part: Bench scoring. 2nd in bench ppg but among the top 3 he is the only one tat actually scores at above league average efficiency.

(04-10-2021, 10:06 AM)cow Wrote: THT and Paul aren't going to turn down money for a LeBron/Laker friendly deal.  If the Lakers don't match, generational wealth or helping "The King" chase another ring isn't a difficult choice.

(04-10-2021, 11:47 AM)soog Wrote: Does anyone think the Lakers would seriously match on $15M/year?  That’s a lot for them to pay for a bench guy with “upside” once the tax implications are considered.  I agree they will be happy to pay up for their title window.  I don’t think this guy fits the bill for them, but I think his skill set and development timeline is perfect for the Mavs.

(04-10-2021, 01:00 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Have the Mavs ever tried to sign a Klutch Sports guy?