(04-08-2021, 03:51 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Turner has been great defensively so I like having defense in the middle, BUT I am intrigued about Wiseman as a pick and roll partner for Luka.

(04-08-2021, 03:51 PM)omahen Wrote: I really wonder what his trade value is. Based on TV crews (I always listen to hometeam crew) they see him as a starter. But I doubt anyone sees high ceiling with him. So I am affraid his trade value would be similar to be that of Kleber or DFS. Not material anyone would trade us a star or a high ceiling prospect. Material for "Curry for JRich" type of trades. And it is of course very diffcult to find a significant improvement in these type of trades.

(04-08-2021, 03:51 PM)omahen Wrote: I really wonder what his trade value is. Based on TV crews (I always listen to hometeam crew) they see him as a starter. But I doubt anyone sees high ceiling with him. So I am affraid his trade value would be similar to be that of Kleber or DFS. Not material anyone would trade us a star or a high ceiling prospect. Material for "Curry for JRich" type of trades. And it is of course very diffcult to find a significant improvement in these type of trades.

(04-08-2021, 03:50 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I'm not opposed to it, but your scouting department better absolutely love whoever you think you can get for that pick ... because I have real reservations whether Wiseman ever turns into anything to build on (especially within the next 3-4 years) and Wiggins is pretty much the same Wiggins he has always been (no more, no less).   You're pretty much punting on the next 2-3 years as a competitive team.   If you don't hit a home run with that pick, I expect the Mavs to perennially miss the playoffs and Luka walks.

(04-08-2021, 03:42 PM)Kammrath Wrote: If the Mavs LOVE someone that they are certain they can get for that pick then I am IN. I am all for "restarting" the timeline with rookie salaries of key talent.

(04-08-2021, 03:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I am very much for this option. I think Brunson needs to be promoted or traded frankly. 

(04-08-2021, 04:03 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Wouldn't his ceiling be something like Brogdon? That would be my guess. 

I personally think he can be the secondary ball handler alongside Luka IF Luke and JB get the elite pick and roll partner they both have chemistry with. I just really think THAT is the big need on this team. A screen setting, pick and roll partner that brings out the best in Luka and JB offensively.

(04-08-2021, 04:36 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Kirk from MMB wondering if Mavs were saving the KP PnR (where KP actually dives to the rim) for the playoffs as an injury prevention measure. I do want to see if that is unleashed in the playoffs.

At any rate ya Powell was supposed to be Luka's roll partner and we see it sometimes but in limited spots.

(04-08-2021, 04:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: If they save it then they won't be very good, polished, or practiced when the time comes that they need it most. 

KP is 36th percentile in the NBA as the pick and roll man (and worst on the Mavs), scoring only 1.06 PPP. 

Get this, when JB sets screens for Luka and rolls he scores 1.20 PPP. JB has been more efficient as the roll man than KP this year. 

(04-08-2021, 05:13 PM)cow Wrote: No offense to Kirk but "saving" KP sounds absurd.  Do Cuban and Nellie have a fleet of luxury cars they own but refuse to drive because they don't want dings and scratches?

(04-08-2021, 04:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: If they save it then they won't be very good, polished, or practiced when the time comes that they need it most. 

KP is 36th percentile in the NBA as the pick and roll man (and worst on the Mavs), scoring only 1.06 PPP. 

Get this, when JB sets screens for Luka and rolls he scores 1.20 PPP. JB has been more efficient as the roll man than KP this year. 

(04-08-2021, 05:34 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: KP rolls like once in a full moon so not a huge sample size.

(04-08-2021, 06:20 PM)cow Wrote: Wiggins would take years off my life.  At least we'd have a new Parsons/Barnes/Wes whipping boy.

(04-08-2021, 04:09 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Wiseman is fine 

(04-09-2021, 10:14 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I don't know what we could base this on other than a bunch of pre-draft hype (as if NBA lotttery picks don't flame out as often as not ..especially bigs).    I'd say even under managed expectations he has been a disappointment in Golden State as a rookie, and he wasn't a player with a sterling record of accomplishments in college.  

Given how undeveloped he was coming into the league,  I'd say the absolutely best case scenerio career for Wiseman would be Tyson Chandler right out of high school type of career arc, but I'm not sure Tyson was ready to be a high level contributor to a contender until his 6th season or so in the NBA.

(04-08-2021, 03:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I am very much for this option. I think Brunson needs to be promoted or traded frankly. 

(04-08-2021, 03:46 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I'm not sure about this.   He is at 11.5 PER so far this year.    He was a 12 PER player last year, and his PER has been below 12 in 4 out of his 6 years.   His all time best career year was 14.  

I would say he's been a bad offensive player for quite a while now, and been a bad offensive player for more of his career than he's been a non-bad offensive player.