(04-07-2021, 10:03 AM)mvossman Wrote: If we are going to trade for these guys, It will require significant assets. 

(04-07-2021, 10:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Mostly because they could find a better package for Collins if they really wanted to move on from him

(04-07-2021, 10:36 AM)bin610 Wrote: Unless the Mavs feel very strongly that Atlanta will not max out Collins, trying to bid for an RFA while all the other good options get grabbed up is a mistake we have made too many times already in the past. Instead we need to go after someone like Richaun Holmes for 20+ million a year.

(04-07-2021, 10:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Further, I don't see why ATL even wants to move on from Collins RIGHT at this moment.

(04-07-2021, 10:32 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This crosses my mind every time I think through a scenario where I keep JRich and move THJ.  I think that if they like Green, then this doesn't make sense and THJ is the keeper if Green is ever going to be a player.

I listened to a podcast yesterday where the host said something along the lines of "the target is probably someone nobody is talking about" because that's what the Mav's always do.  We have discussed the RFA PF's and the 33+ PG's and Ball and all sorts of MLE options.  Probably the best FA who hasn't gotten any discussion is Norman Powell.  He's the kind of guy we can sign at 5:01 and we don't need to do any kind of negotiation.  If we do negotiate, Portland is the kind of place that might could use Richardson (27th ranked D and plenty of O even before Powell showed up).  

The question is the fit with Dallas.  There is talk of needing another 15 point scorer.  He can do that and is a much scarier offensive threat than THJ.  He's not a defender (which is why I bring him up in a post focused on Josh Green).  But for as good an offensive team as we are, it gets really hard to score sometimes.  I'm not in love with the idea, but Powell hasn't always been the defensive disaster he's been this season (and he wasn't always the offensive powerhouse he's become either (95th percentile in Offensive RPM, 91st percentile in Offensive Raptor and 85th percentile in O-Lebron Box).  If he started in place of JRich and you added Theis and had Theis, Melli and Green as plus defenders off the bench, I wonder if you'd be more successful overall even if your D takes a bit of a hit.

(04-07-2021, 09:52 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: The Richardson/THJ deals will be tricky, I think. If you want them back, you want them at cost effective numbers. But, and this gets underplayed around here quite a bit, you absolutely do want them to feel valued, like they're being rewarded for their role(s) in building something HERE, and not necessarily just at the exact dollar amount dictated by the open market. To my way of thinking, that's worth a little (emphasis on little) extra. The locker room, and how people see themselves within the context of the team - that stuff is more important than we realize, I think.

(04-07-2021, 10:45 AM)Mapka Wrote: Hows Rudy Gay playing these days?
I would love to keep our top9 and use our MLE on a bigger scoring wing to back-up DFS. Is Vince really done?

(04-07-2021, 10:50 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: And i think the organization has done everything so far to make it a good situation for them. THj, JR and Brunson

(04-07-2021, 11:12 AM)omahen Wrote: JRich was brought as a third man

(04-07-2021, 10:50 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: He's having a really good season.  He's a +9.0 on the Simple Rating at 82games.com.  He gets almost all of his minutes at backup PF, so probably more of a Melli replacement than a backup to DFS.

(04-07-2021, 11:22 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't know that I agree with this. It might be true, but I don't think we have enough info to know that it's true.

(04-07-2021, 11:22 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't know that I agree with this. It might be true, but I don't think we have enough info to know that it's true.

(04-07-2021, 11:12 AM)omahen Wrote: Are you really so sure? JRich was brought as a third man yet he takes least shots since his sophomore campaign, trailing both Brunson and THJ, besides the two stars. He is not even closing games on most nights, even when he goes 5-5 from three. And fans, at least majority of them, for sure don't really appreciate his signing. Even media thinks he is having another season where he regressed. So a change of scenery might do him good as Mavs situation certainly didn't raise his trade value. THJ and Brunson could obviously feel they deserve to be starters.

(04-07-2021, 11:58 AM)Mapka Wrote: We know for sure James Johnson didn´t like to be traded to NOLA.

(04-07-2021, 10:38 AM)omahen Wrote: It is Collins who chooses his destination, not Atlanta. They can either sign him or negotiate a SnT with where he wants to go.

(04-07-2021, 08:23 AM)soog Wrote: With their *sources*?  I’ve seen the Mavs linked to too many players over the years to put much credence in what “national guys” say.

More pertinent to our discussion - it’s a big leap to go from the speculation of some “national guys” seeking headlines and clicks to saying the Mavs are “obsessed”.  There might be interest there (I would be disappointed if there weren’t interest at some level), but we should keep it in perspective.

(04-07-2021, 12:19 PM)loki Wrote: The only way Collins can choose his destination is if he's willing to take the qualifying offer and become a UFA in 2022. Atlanta is not obligated to cooperate with him in a SnT. They can make their best offer, then sit back and wait to see if another team maxes him. If they do, it's an easy match. If not, he likely takes the cheaper long term deal.

(04-07-2021, 12:19 PM)loki Wrote: The only way Collins can choose his destination is if he's willing to take the qualifying offer and become a UFA in 2022. Atlanta is not obligated to cooperate with him in a SnT. They can make their best offer, then sit back and wait to see if another team maxes him. If they do, it's an easy match. If not, he likely takes the cheaper long term deal.

(04-07-2021, 01:26 PM)omahen Wrote: I will just repeat, if it wasn't clear. Atlanta can keep him or send him where he wants to go. Atlanta doesn't have the luxury to choose between offers teams might make.