(04-06-2021, 04:05 PM)bearforce1 Wrote: Average NBA vet starter money is ~$16M, so I think JRich would find offers more than $12M somewhere. He hasn't been amazing here, but I think he will still have value around the league. 

My current dream offseason scenario is to SnT JRich (plus stuff) for Lonzo & then go over the cap to retain THJ.  Ball compared to JRich is younger, great defensively, better secondary playmaker, & shooting nearly 40% from 3 on 8 attempts per game. Pels are not going to let him walk for nothing - at least they would get a replacement starter back in JRich with some vet leadership and maybe one of our projects and/or a pick.  

I don't know what it would take contract-wise to get Ball ($80-100/4yrs?) or what the "plus stuff" could be, but I think the talent and fit would be a nice upgrade esp. if he can keep up the 3pt shooting.

(04-06-2021, 11:00 PM)Branduil Wrote: Personally I would definitely move KP for Collins-plus next year unless KP shows he can be healthy and play with strong chemistry with Luka this postseason.

(04-07-2021, 04:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If you look at what Dallas has asked JRich and DWright to do, and if you ignore the last name and the dad and the agent, then Ball is probably the best fit among the RFA's (maybe among all free agents).  He solves so many of our issues.  Keeping some combination of Luka, Ball and Brunson on the court at all times (and all 3 occasionally) would be a great situation for years to come.  Ball also makes great sense for NY and Chicago, so he will get paid.  I think the estimates of $20mm seem low.

I like your idea.  In theory JRich might be attractive to the 28th ranked D in the league.  But, I have a hard time seeing them going after the spacing you'd have with a Bledsoe/Richardson back court.  They have a lot of mediocre three point shooters and would be losing their best one (in both attempts and percentage) in Ball.  Do you envision Lewis taking over at PG and Bledsoe to a third guard role backing up Lewis and JRich?  Lewis is an improving 3 point shooter, but he doesn't take very many.  As has been said, something like this takes four parties to agree. 

The other thing to consider is the competition.  Are we more attractive than NY and Chicago?  Would NO prefer to send him out of conference?  Is JRich more attractive than the S&T package the others could provide.  This is a lot like the Collins talk except you are calling NO's bluff instead of Atlanta's, the competition is Chicago and NY instead of Charlotte and San Antonio and the agent is Rich Paul instead of Jeff Schwartz.  That is a lot to overcome.  It might improve your odds to just throw out a really big number and call New Orleans's bluff rather than trying to complicate it with a double S&T.

(04-06-2021, 11:33 PM)Branduil Wrote: Personally I find the MBT's obsession with Collins weird if they are planning on keeping KP. Do they actually think both guys would be happy together? Do they think two max-salary frontcourt guys is a good idea when literally no other team is doing that?

(04-07-2021, 04:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If you look at what Dallas has asked JRich and DWright to do, and if you ignore the last name and the dad and the agent, then Ball is probably the best fit among the RFA's (maybe among all free agents).  He solves so many of our issues.  Keeping some combination of Luka, Ball and Brunson on the court at all times (and all 3 occasionally) would be a great situation for years to come.  Ball also makes great sense for NY and Chicago, so he will get paid.  I think the estimates of $20mm seem low.

(04-07-2021, 04:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That is a lot to overcome.  It might improve your odds to just throw out a really big number and call New Orleans's bluff rather than trying to complicate it with a double S&T.

(04-07-2021, 06:31 AM)soog Wrote: What is to lead us to believe they are obsessed with Collins?  The only apparent obsession I see is coming from the fan base.

(04-07-2021, 06:58 AM)omahen Wrote: Again I agree. I think there is a difference between Collins and Ball. Atlanta will match any offer for Collins, imho. If you throw max at Ball, I don't think NO matches. If Mavs help pack Powells bags to OKC, they will still have around 15 mil to play with in FA for a wing or center upgrade. And mini MLE and BaU. I think it is an intriguing option.

(04-07-2021, 04:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If you look at what Dallas has asked JRich and DWright to do, and if you ignore the last name and the dad and the agent, then Ball is probably the best fit among the RFA's (maybe among all free agents).  He solves so many of our issues.  Keeping some combination of Luka, Ball and Brunson on the court at all times (and all 3 occasionally) would be a great situation for years to come.  Ball also makes great sense for NY and Chicago, so he will get paid.  I think the estimates of $20mm seem low.

(04-07-2021, 05:14 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Besides the points you laid out about the stiff competition...

....the question I have with Lonzo is why the Pelicans even want to let him go?

He´s literally the perfect PG/SG for Zion and Ingram. You got two "Ballhog" SF/PF/C that need a ton of touches playing with a pass-first defensive PG that can apparently knock down threes at a high rate. Heck he´s even a good fit with the scoring speed demon Lewis and Alexander-Walker. Bledsoe is gone in 12 months. Isn´t Ball/Lewis/Walker a pretty great backcourt to grow alongside Ingram/Zion.
What is going on behind the scenes that Lonzo is even a discussion? 

They have the 20th best record, while their core is so young:

Lewis 19
Ball 23
Alexander-Walker 22
Zion 20
Ingram 23

Is his father raising a stink behind the scenes, pushing his son toward the Knicks and threatens to take the QO, if they don´t let him go. What is going?

(04-07-2021, 07:08 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Not true, national guys have linked interest to Collins

(04-06-2021, 03:31 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Man, I’d be looking for SnT possibilities if THJ looks for more than $15M and JRich more than $12M. I’d give them 4 years and max raises on that starting salary, but it would make building out the rest of the team that much harder if we go too much higher.

(04-07-2021, 09:02 AM)Mavs03 Wrote: Which RFA would you aggressively go after this summer?  John Collins or Lonzo Ball

Which current player would you try to resign?  J-Rich or THJ

I would pick Collins and THJ.  

(04-07-2021, 09:11 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: 1. Given the nature of RFA players and the risk associated with going after them AND the Mavs historical failures in FA I would avoid both

2. I'd try to resign both. We can always trade either for a pivot later if need be. Further, the Mavs have been rolling for 2 months now and it isn't a surprise that we've been the most healthy during this stretch. I know the beginning of the year left a bad taste in all our mouths, but perhaps Donnie knew what he was doing and the teams current construction is better than we all previously thought.

2B. Does this mean I think the team is perfect and doesn't need upgrades? Obviously not. But I'm hopping on team continuity and get better through trades than try our luck in FA. 

3. I believe in order to get to Collin's max we'd need to renounce both THJ and JRich's hold, meaning we couldn't bring either back. So it's really a question of John Collins OR JRich/THJ.

(04-07-2021, 09:02 AM)Mavs03 Wrote: Questions:

Which RFA would you aggressively go after this summer?  John Collins or Lonzo Ball

Which current player would you try to resign?  J-Rich or THJ

I would pick Collins and THJ.  

I think the Mavs believe Josh Green could eventually fill in the role of J-Rich...a defender and a 3 point shooter.  THJ could continue serving his role as a bench scorer (along with Brunson).  When KP needs to rest on a 2nd night of a back-to back...you would have Collins and Kleber being your PF and C respectively.

Starting lineup:

Luka
Green
DFS
Collins
KP

Bench:

Brunson
Burke
THJ
Melli
Kleber

Green would be the 5th option as our starter.  His job this summer is to shoot 500 3s a day and work on his shooting.  I think he has shown flashes of being a good defender.  He has a long way to go but the potential is there.
Still have the MLE to get another player.  Of course, we could trade for Collins and be an over-the-cap team and resign both THJ and J-Rich.  Cuban would have to pay luxury tax in that scenario.

(04-07-2021, 09:42 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Is Atlanta really saying NO, because they´d have to use Powell as a back-up C for two years?

They´d have to either pay Collins the max or find a $20M player (their capspace after Collins) that beats Kleber + Green + two unprotected first round picks (plus their own MLE, which they lose if they use capspace).


Mavs re-sign Richardson + THJ. Offer Theis the full MLE.

Doncic/Brunson
Richardson/THJ
DFS/Minimum veteran
Collins/Melli
Porzingis/Theis

I don´t know who the player is, but the S&T option is what the Mavs will try to do imho. Question is do you want to give up multiple 1st round picks to do it.

(04-07-2021, 09:02 AM)Mavs03 Wrote:  

I think the Mavs believe Josh Green could eventually fill in the role of J-Rich...a defender and a 3 point shooter.   

Green would be the 5th option as our starter.  His job this summer is to shoot 500 3s a day and work on his shooting.  I think he has shown flashes of being a good defender.  He has a long way to go but the potential is there.