(04-06-2021, 09:43 PM)loki Wrote: Bogdanovic got 18m/yr. I've been expecting THJ to come in a little below that, but I wouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) if he got an equivalent offer. Clarkson was not playing nearly this well when he got his deal so I don't believe he's a good comparison any longer.

(04-06-2021, 04:23 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: What would the Ramifications be for waiving Powell? How much would that cost us and for how many years and how much extra space would that free up this year?

(04-06-2021, 09:08 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: How many number four guys on not-quite-contending teams get $18 mil/year?

(04-06-2021, 09:50 PM)loki Wrote: He's owed 22.2m total over the next two seasons. If waiving him you could stretch that salary over 5 seasons with a 4.4m cap hit each year. With an additional minimum salary cap hold taken into account, that frees up about 5.7m in additional cap space for 2021.

(04-06-2021, 04:23 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: What would the Ramifications be for waiving Powell? How much would that cost us and for how many years and how much extra space would that free up this year?

(04-06-2021, 05:27 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I'm firmly in the pro-KP camp and believe this team's ceiling is higher if KP got healthy vs banking on a trade return but IF we were to move him, I think Golden State would make the most sense with a Wiggins package.  Wiseman and/or the Minny pick could be argued to be a pretty decent return if we moved on without him.

(04-06-2021, 09:26 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I think all of our conversations about this offseason are pretty moot unless Luka and KP magically fall in unlikely basketball love before or during the playoffs, because KP is getting moved for whatever if that doesn't happen. We have no idea right now what the return will be and what effect it will have on our cap situation. My guesses:

1) THJ is back next year at a lower salary - a mil or two haircut per year from his last salary.
2) JRich is back, opted-in if he didn't improve from his current play, and at a very slightly higher salary if he did. Because we have no choice but to keep Duffy happy. I agree with the post today that the great benefit of JRich is that he changed our culture. That's a good thing, and worth keeping on the roster if we can.
3) Brunson is still here.
4) I hope WCS is still here, but perhaps the MBT will be as dumb as many fans are. An upgrade is going to be hard to find on him for backup center if we traded KP.
5) Melli is brought back.
6) Several of our rooks are gone in trade.
7) I hope Maxi is still here, but he's our best trade asset aside from KP. Because Brunson isn't a trade asset.
8) Powell is still here because LOL.
9) We get a nice player (likely frontcourt) and a somewhat nice additional asset for KP. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't for Collins in a three-team deal, with us getting a small tip from the team getting KP and the bulk of their sent assets going to Atlanta. 
10) The rest of roster is filled out with a very good MLE player and a decent piece with the small amount of cap room we likely have left over.

(04-06-2021, 09:26 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I think all of our conversations about this offseason are pretty moot unless Luka and KP magically fall in unlikely basketball love before or during the playoffs, because KP is getting moved for whatever if that doesn't happen. We have no idea right now what the return will be and what effect it will have on our cap situation. My guesses:

1) THJ is back next year at a lower salary - a mil or two haircut per year from his last salary.
2) JRich is back, opted-in if he didn't improve from his current play, and at a very slightly higher salary if he did. Because we have no choice but to keep Duffy happy. I agree with the post today that the great benefit of JRich is that he changed our culture. That's a good thing, and worth keeping on the roster if we can.
3) Brunson is still here.
4) I hope WCS is still here, but perhaps the MBT will be as dumb as many fans are. An upgrade is going to be hard to find on him for backup center if we traded KP.
5) Melli is brought back.
6) Several of our rooks are gone in trade.
7) I hope Maxi is still here, but he's our best trade asset aside from KP. Because Brunson isn't a trade asset.
8) Powell is still here because LOL.
9) We get a nice player (likely frontcourt) and a somewhat nice additional asset for KP. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't for Collins in a three-team deal, with us getting a small tip from the team getting KP and the bulk of their sent assets going to Atlanta. 
10) The rest of roster is filled out with a very good MLE player and a decent piece with the small amount of cap room we likely have left over.

(04-06-2021, 10:07 PM)F Gump Wrote: With all due respect, this isn't even a conversation worth exploring. The Mavs are not going to ever think of waiving Powell, even in his current level of play. They see him through rose-covered glasses.

(04-06-2021, 11:00 PM)Branduil Wrote: Personally I would definitely move KP for Collins-plus next year unless KP shows he can be healthy and play with strong chemistry with Luka this postseason.

(04-06-2021, 11:07 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Yep I am 100% in this camp.

(04-06-2021, 11:19 PM)Mapka Wrote: I have the feeling you would move KP for Rondo and Boogie

(04-06-2021, 11:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: No way. I actually value KP as an ASSET very highly. I just think his fit with Luka is limiting for the team. I am also comfortable with rolling with Luka+KP if they can figure stuff out on the court.

(04-06-2021, 11:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: No way. I actually value KP as an ASSET very highly. I just think his fit with Luka is limiting for the team. I am also comfortable with rolling with Luka+KP if they can figure stuff out on the court.

(04-06-2021, 11:33 PM)Branduil Wrote: Personally I find the MBT's obsession with Collins weird if they are planning on keeping KP. Do they actually think both guys would be happy together? Do they think two max-salary frontcourt guys is a good idea when literally no other team is doing that?

(04-06-2021, 11:40 PM)cow Wrote: I'm not sure we know enough about the MBT's interest in Collins to call it an obsession.  Further, luring any max-salary player, especially at Collins' age, would be a massive win for them.  Lastly, for whatever it's worth, Cuban's been a fan of saying, "when the league zigs, is the best opportunity to zag".

(04-06-2021, 11:57 PM)Branduil Wrote: I mean he wouldn't be zagging against the league but his own coach, who just recently didn't play KP when the other team went small. Seems like a bad idea to go all-in on a big team if you can't play both of them in every situation.


The only other team I can remember trying that strategy in recent years is Philly, and we all saw how that went last year.