(04-06-2021, 02:52 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: KCP vs Jrich: Pope is the better shooter and defender but Richardson is a better play maker. This off-season Pope signed a 3/39 with LA.

(04-06-2021, 02:52 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: Clarkson vs THJ: I honestly don’t really know who’s better between these two. They seem like very similar players. Clarkson just signed a 4/51 with Utah.

(04-06-2021, 02:52 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: So I’m just spitballing but let’s say in a perfect world Jrich and THJ signed similar deals with us, wouldn’t that leave us with about $9 million in Space after clearing their cap holds?

(04-06-2021, 01:14 PM)DrMav Wrote: Lol, he’s a 2nd round pick, he signed the contract cause his other option was go oversees or move on from basketball. 


Hopefully the Mavs do have plans for Bey and with a more regular offseason we can see what happens with him and the other rookies, but the idea that there was some master plan made so he could orchestrate his way out of Dallas ASAP is just laughable.

(04-06-2021, 02:53 PM)omahen Wrote: Also a thing to consider - are we sure JRich and THJ will want to stay? What if they are both gone by their choosing? Or is their a salary limit you (in the role of Mavs GM) thinks offering what someone else offered is too much?  Where is the salary limit you would walk away from them?

(04-06-2021, 03:04 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I think this is the most likely stumbling block.  JRich is 27.   THJ is 29.  Very likely this is their last big open market contract of their careers, and will want to maximize their earnings while they still can.

(04-06-2021, 03:31 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Man, I’d be looking for SnT possibilities if THJ looks for more than $15M and JRich more than $12M. I’d give them 4 years and max raises on that starting salary, but it would make building out the rest of the team that much harder if we go too much higher.

(04-06-2021, 03:31 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Man, I’d be looking for SnT possibilities if THJ looks for more than $15M and JRich more than $12M. I’d give them 4 years and max raises on that starting salary, but it would make building out the rest of the team that much harder if we go too much higher.

(04-06-2021, 03:55 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: We also cannot forget the KP rumors. I don´t think the MBT is sold on his fit next to Luka. Add the injury issues and I wouldn´tbe suprised if they try to move on if the Mavs lose in a potential play in tournament or the first round.

(04-06-2021, 02:50 PM)omahen Wrote: In the short term it would be likely a step back. Depends a lot on how creative Mavs can be. Because for me - an aggresive offseason Mavs are announcing is not offering max contract to Collins and hope Atlanta doesn't match. Nevertheless, you will always have another MLE every season. Still, if I simplify a lot using Collins example. If you can get him (or Ball) and trade Powell+draft assets for something useful (for example Ross would be realistic target), you could still have at least comparable team with higher upside. Offer more time to the rookies and hope for internal development.

Luka, Terry, Burke, miniMLE
Brunson, Green, Hinton
DFS, Ross, BAE
Collins, Kleber, Bey
KP, Melli, vet min

(04-06-2021, 04:13 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Yes, 100% this. 

If the KP/Luka chemistry REALLY improves and allows the Mavs playoff success then dealing him because very unlikely, BUT if the Luka+KP dynamic continues to sputter then I am firmly in the camp that the Mavs will sell high on KP this summer.

(04-06-2021, 03:55 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: As other posters already mentioned. If the Mavs lose a close first round series or actually make a deeper run it makes a lot of sense to go with continuity. If the Mavs are closer than I think (2nd round exit or better) even all in trade scenarios are an option (remaining 1sts + Powell and/or WCS, Burke for the best possible player).
We also cannot forget the KP rumors. I don´t think the MBT is sold on his fit next to Luka. Add the injury issues and I wouldn´tbe suprised if they try to move on if the Mavs lose in a potential play in tournament or the first round.

(04-06-2021, 04:05 PM)bearforce1 Wrote: Average NBA vet starter money is ~$16M, so I think JRich would find offers more than $12M somewhere. He hasn't been amazing here, but I think he will still have value around the league. 

My current dream offseason scenario is to SnT JRich (plus stuff) for Lonzo & then go over the cap to retain THJ.  Ball compared to JRich is younger, great defensively, better secondary playmaker, & shooting nearly 40% from 3 on 8 attempts per game. Pels are not going to let him walk for nothing - at least they would get a replacement starter back in JRich with some vet leadership and maybe one of our projects and/or a pick.  

I don't know what it would take contract-wise to get Ball ($80-100/4yrs?) or what the "plus stuff" could be, but I think the talent and fit would be a nice upgrade esp. if he can keep up the 3pt shooting.

(04-06-2021, 04:13 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Richardson has the same agent as Doncic.
Richardson was acquired via trade. Cuban doesn´t like to lose.
Richardson has a manageable caphold.

To me this comes down to THJ.

I think the Mavs will try to use the capspace threat (let THJ/WCS go, waive/trade Powell) to execute a S&T and operate over the cap, keep the rest of the team together and use the full MLE.

This strategy will depend on two factors:

1.) How much will it cost to do such a trade. Is it better to acquire Collins, keep THJ and sign McDermott for 10M at the trade cost of three 1st round picks (for example) or is it better to sign Collins outright, lose THJ, lose the full MLE, but keep your three 1st round picks for another trade (for example).
 
2.) How much value they attach to each scenario will obviously be impacted by the team performance in the 2nd half of the season and the play-offs.

It´s a real difficult situation, because there are so many factors to consider.

Given that the over-the cap option will result in the better immediate team and that the Mavs don´t care about picks/rookies anyway, I´d say it´s more likely they will go that direction. The over the capspace option, requires more patience and for the last decade the Mavs have never made any long-term plans. It´s always about the product next season.

(04-06-2021, 02:53 PM)omahen Wrote: Also a thing to consider - are we sure JRich and THJ will want to stay? What if they are both gone by their choosing? Or is there a salary limit you (in the role of Mavs GM) thinks offering what someone else offered is too much?  Where is the salary limit you would walk away from them?

(04-06-2021, 04:51 PM)cow Wrote: THJ 100% wants to be here.  Money is a different matter though.

(04-06-2021, 04:53 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: Even Tim Sr was talking about wanting THJ to resign here long term. That’s another reason I think he’ll take a team friendly deal.