(04-02-2021, 04:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs would offer him a max deal so he would be a "max" player. We can argue all day whether he should be a max player but the team that signs him will sign him to a max deal so even if he's the "third" fiddle he is still a max RFA guy with potential to be a max UFA in the future.

(04-02-2021, 03:10 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: On Day 1 of free agency...I'm at John Collin's door and presenting him with a contract in the 4 year 110 million range (near the max).  He already turned down Atlanta's offer of 4 years 90 million.  Atlanta put themselves in a bind by offering ridiculous contracts to Gallinari, Bogdanovic, and Dunn (43 million combined salary).  At least they shed Rondo's 7 million contract but they're in a tough spot.

I think a core of Luka, KP and Collins is a formidable trio.  Not sure how we can retain THJ and J-Rich in that scenario unless we trade for Collins and/or trade Powell and Burke (who make close to 15 million).  Not sure what's going on with Terry but I would assume he can fill the Burke role.  And I'm thinking Melli could fill in for Powell.

(04-02-2021, 04:16 PM)cow Wrote: I'm not talking about this contract.  Grant took the same contract to go to a lesser team so that he could be featured (bet on himself) so that he could maximize his next contract.

(04-02-2021, 03:48 PM)ballsrchr Wrote: .am I the only one harboring a tiny bit of angst that Luka might not be happy with the direction the Mavericks are taking--and he might not be here in 4 or 5 years?  Dirk was one of a kind as a player and for loyalty toward his team.  I don't think we'll ever see another like him, nor do I expect Luka to follow in Dirk's footsteps.  If the Mavericks let Luka slip through their fingers (and money is not the only factor)...I don't know what I'll do.  After 40 years rooting for the Mavs it would be hard to consider moving to another team...but I might...

(04-02-2021, 04:39 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: single

(04-02-2021, 04:40 PM)omahen Wrote: He is not single. He has no family though, if that is what you meant

(04-02-2021, 02:11 PM)omahen Wrote: Max for Markanen???

(04-02-2021, 04:42 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: what do you mean?

(04-02-2021, 04:45 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: If you don´t tank properly so you draft Markkannen, Fox, Isaac, then pick DSJ over Mitchell, Adebayo and Monk, you end up in this situation.  

Seriously. I´m not sure what makes Collins a surefire max contract player and Markkanen not.

Both are 23 years old.

Collins 55/38/84

18.2 PPG
7.8 RPG
1.5 APG
0.5 SPG
1.0 BPG

Markkanen 48/39/84

17.2 PPG
6.0 RPG
1.0 APG
0.5 SPG
0.4 BPG

The difference in production is hardly earth-shattering. Both had some injuries, but that would concern me more with Markkanen. At least with Markkanen though you know that the Bulls won´t match a big offer, given all the rumours and that they offered him an extension of 70/4-ish. Furthermore if Collins had an issue with the ball dominance of Young, it won´t be any different with Luka.

Ultimately this is just about the upward trajectory of either guy.

You win some, you lose some, but what´s even worse is not playing at all.


I liked that they took a chance on Barnes. Didn´t work out 100% as they hoped, but I think signing shitty Matthews and Jordan were the far bigger problems.

They should have gone after Lavine with a big offer. I think he´d have come here over Kings/Bulls. Though the Bulls might have matched it.

That Julius Randle thing is still the most bizarre decision of this franchise. The season before his free agency, when he got the huge Dallas tattoo:

21.4 PPG
8.7 RPG
3.1 APG
0.7 SPG
0.6 BPG

Shooting 52/34/75

So I don´t care whether it´s Markkanen, Collins, Ball, Allen, Monk, Collins, it´s upside  player trajectory AND trade value. You can trade Markkanen for Beal. You can´t trade Theis and THJ.

(04-02-2021, 04:49 PM)omahen Wrote: He has a girlfriend for like 7 years now. One of the Mavs beat writers even said they got engaged this summer, although that was the only time I saw it mentioned. I guess Slovenian media would be all over it.

(04-02-2021, 03:53 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: I don’t think it’s going to take anywhere near a max to get him. I bet we could work out a pretty low-cost sign and trade for him in the off-season. The bulls have moved him to the bench and it’s pretty obvious he doesn’t have a future there. I’d be willing to bet that his price is somewhere around $15 million to $18 million range. He’d give you a lot of the same things that John Collins would but on a cheaper deal. The other thing I like about him is that I don’t believe we would have any trouble convincing him to come here. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we were his preferred destination.

(04-02-2021, 04:45 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: If you don´t tank properly so you draft Markkannen, Fox, Isaac, then pick DSJ over Mitchell, Adebayo and Monk, you end up in this situation.  

(04-02-2021, 05:55 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: The deal to trade the 22 unprotected for the 23 protected, there could be a new rule but my memory is that you have to have a pick in any 2 consecutive years. That means you can’t trade 22 because we won’t be picking in 21. Now, if we can buy a late 1st, pick it, then trade it away to the team that wants the player (or keep him if we believe in him). That makes the proposed deal available. I think.

(04-02-2021, 05:08 PM)mvossman Wrote: Don't really get the point of going after someone like Markkanen.  He does not really fit any need, not a great fit as I think we need a high level defender in the frontcourt with KP, will cause us to renounce THJ and JRich and operate under the cap (likely accumulating fewer assets), and we will have to overpay to ensure it does not get matched (and even then we could be surprised).

(04-02-2021, 05:02 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: Well, if he's not married, he's single. 

But it's possible that a long-time girlfriend would have similar influences as a wife. Or, that he'll be married and maybe even a dad by that time. The thought being that the siren song of a vibrant nightlife might be less important to a family man.

(04-02-2021, 05:55 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: The deal to trade the 22 unprotected for the 23 protected, there could be a new rule but my memory is that you have to have a pick in any 2 consecutive years. That means you can’t trade 22 because we won’t be picking in 21. Now, if we can buy a late 1st, pick it, then trade it away to the team that wants the player (or keep him if we believe in him). That makes the proposed deal available. I think.

(04-02-2021, 06:07 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: A long term girlfriend of 7 years means Luka is most certainly not single.

(04-02-2021, 04:20 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Can someone confirm what Collins' max number would be?