(03-31-2021, 11:21 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: We just need a 3rd star. The rest takes care of itself. Look at Blake and LMA with the Nets. Drummond with the Lakers. You just need to be a true contender. It´s just idiotic to work around the edges, but of course to acquire that 3rd star you either need draft picks or draft talent, two things the MantiBT doesn´t believe in, so they are stuck with this useless begging exercise every summer.

(03-31-2021, 01:51 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs gotta get that third guy but they need to stop trying to do it with free agent signings.

(03-31-2021, 01:32 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Very curious about his upcoming market.  Feels like could be surprisingly low or surprisingly high but he's the name I keep coming back to with our MLE if we stay over the cap and keep everyone.

(03-31-2021, 01:56 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I mean .. pretty sure they got KP through trade, got Luka by trading up in the draft and then tried to trade up again for Tyrese Haliburton just a few months ago.  The bottom line is when you trade a combined 4 first round picks  for the rights to Luka and KP, you're losing your most desirable trade ammunition for future trades. So I don't really get where this criticism comes from.   Hard to convince teams to just hand you their star caliber players when you don't have 1st round draft picks to give back.

(03-31-2021, 02:06 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs had good trade ammunition this past offseason, #18 + two very high seconds, players on value contracts and sort of blew it. I get they tried hard for Haliburton and I salute them for that.

(03-31-2021, 02:18 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: They also tried for RoCo, but they couldn't top the Blazers in a trade because they didn't have a 2021 1st.  And RoCo is far from a "3rd Star" calliber player at this point in his career, which is why the Blazers just had to trade for Powell to bring in more scoring that RoCo can't provide.  

So, no, I don't think the Mavs had the capital for a "3rd Star" caliber trade for the #18 pick and 2nds.

The bottomline is there are ramifications for big trade packages for Luka and KP .. mainly, it's almost impossible to build future big trade packages.   Just because the shine has worn off those trades and we want new shiny toys to play with doesn't mean the organizatonal cost just evaporated.

(03-31-2021, 02:27 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Gordon took a starting caliber player, a player who was just taken in the 1st round 4 months ago and a future 1st.   So, no, Aaron Gordon didn't go for the #18 pick and a few 2nds.   And Aaron Gordon isn't a 3rd star.

(03-31-2021, 01:59 PM)omahen Wrote: There will be many teams able to offer MLE. Not so many able to offer a bit more.

(03-31-2021, 02:06 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs had good trade ammunition this past offseason, #18 + two very high seconds, players on value contracts and sort of blew it. I get they tried hard for Haliburton and I salute them for that.

(03-31-2021, 12:42 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I know Conley's having a good year but I haven't seen his defense lately. Over his career he had the reputation as a good defender. I think Mavs regret letting Curry go. I still like Conley as a Curry/J Rich replacement in that he is pretty balanced player. He definitely passes the ball better that Rich or Curry does. If he can still guard opposing point guards then that could work.

(03-31-2021, 02:34 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I got back and forth about whether or not we had the same package to offer.  To me Josh Green and our 2025 pick would be equal to RJ Hampton and Denver's pick and to be honest, Gary Harris is barely a starting caliber player at this point.  The biggest difference between offering straight up expiring in James Johnson vs Gary Harris (who is locked in for 20 mil next season) is that it will help the Magic pick up more assets next year at the trade deadline, there's no way they have any intention of keeping him long term.  The other thing is that apparently the Magic really like RJ Hampton and nearly drafted him at 15 (per Kevin O'Connor at least) so in that sense we really never had a chance with Josh Green.

Long winded way of agreeing with you.

(03-31-2021, 02:39 PM)omahen Wrote: Thinking more about it. The only player resembling a third star is Collins. If you can get him, good. But sure hope Mavs will be 100 % sure they will get him, otherwise it will be a major disaster. If Collins is of the table, how about we just keep the team and strengthen the bench. Operate over the cap and re-sign THJ, JRich for 30 mil combined. 

Trade Powell and FRP to Orlando for OPJ SnT. Let's say at 12 mil
Trade Brunson and Burke to Indiana for TJ McConell (SnT) and a couple of second rounders. Alternatively same package for Theis and a couple of second rounders with Chicago.
Sign the remaining guy of McConell/Theiss for MLE.

Luka, McConell, Terry
JRich, THJ, Green
OPJ, DFS, Hinton
Maxi, Bey
KP, Theis, WCS (or let him walk and sign someone else)

I think we get very, very tough defensively with TJ and Theis. We get secondary playmaking with TJ. We get shooting with OPJ. Not flashy but it might work very well.

(03-31-2021, 02:40 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I would say the equivalent probably would have been Maxi + Josh Green + 2025 1st round pick (with some salary filler to make the numbers work).  But if they were really high on Hampton, they might have still preferred Denver (Magic certainly have a historical fondness for players who can't shoot)

(03-31-2021, 12:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, we're pretty much in lock step on this. Here are the questions I'd ask you to clarify where we might differ:

1) of the two defensive player types you describe above, which is more rare in the NBA?

2) Most of us agree that another ball-handling, playmaking, scoring threat is needed. In your opinion, is it easier to find one of those who's more similar to your Richardson description above, or your DFS description? My opinion is that there are maybe 5 guys in the NBA at DFS's size and agility level on defense who can be two-way players, not only through shooting off of the catch, but with face-up creation. Teams who have them aren't letting them go. To contrast, potential Richardson replacements seem to exist on every NBA team except for this one. 

Just my two cents on this. I do agree that DFS's shooting needs to improve soon or his size isn't going to matter much.

(03-31-2021, 11:21 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: We just need a 3rd star. The rest takes care of itself. Look at Blake and LMA with the Nets. Drummond with the Lakers. You just need to be a true contender. It´s just idiotic to work around the edges, but of course to acquire that 3rd star you either need draft picks or draft talent, two things the MantiBT doesn´t believe in, so they are stuck with this useless begging exercise every summer.

(03-31-2021, 03:15 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Batum

(03-31-2021, 03:15 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Bottom line, we might see quite a bit of improvement if we could get our hands on our version of Jordan Clarkson (Dinwiddie?) in Utah

(03-31-2021, 12:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, we're pretty much in lock step on this. Here are the questions I'd ask you to clarify where we might differ:

1) of the two defensive player types you describe above, which is more rare in the NBA?

2) Most of us agree that another ball-handling, playmaking, scoring threat is needed. In your opinion, is it easier to find one of those who's more similar to your Richardson description above, or your DFS description? My opinion is that there are maybe 5 guys in the NBA at DFS's size and agility level on defense who can be two-way players, not only through shooting off of the catch, but with face-up creation. Teams who have them aren't letting them go. To contrast, potential Richardson replacements seem to exist on every NBA team except for this one. 

Just my two cents on this. I do agree that DFS's shooting needs to improve soon or his size isn't going to matter much.

(03-31-2021, 03:49 PM)omahen Wrote: Don't we already have one? Who is arguably a tiny bit better than the "original" from Utah? I think JRich idea is still best way to go. It has to be a defender, imho. Ball might be the "star" overpaid version. JRich is a poor mans version. At 10 and something per year he is also actually just fine. Not many others available.

I am all for Theis as a third big. Can play C with Maxi or PF with KP. Sets a vicious screen and is a fighter. Better 3 point shooter than Powell too.