(03-30-2021, 07:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am surprised Lakers didn't trade him. They don't have his bird rights correct? The best they could offer is MLE so I am guessing they are banking on his value not exceeding MLE level dollars?

(03-30-2021, 10:24 PM)F Gump Wrote: Is he considered special here because he's on another team, or it's the Lakers who he plays for? If he was languishing on the market, I can see why you'd want to take a shot, but that's not what we're looking at. To me it makes no sense.

(03-30-2021, 08:26 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So OKC likes to be a facilitator. They definitely want to move Horford to a new home. I could see a scenario where Celtics want to move off of Kemba and bring back Horford home. They have a very high payroll. They would also probably like to move off of Thompson who hasn't worked out well there.

Knowing Donnie I could see him having interest in 2 yrs of Kemba, flaws and all if he is getting him cheap in terms of assets (namely no THJ, J Rich coming back). The trade would be something like Kemba, Thompson to Dallas, Horford to Celtics, Powell, WCS to OKC (and J Rich if he opts in).

Celtics would get a better fitting player in Horford plus free up money to resign Fournier (who had a terrible debut but could be a fit) and dump Thompson. Dallas would get a 2 year rental of Kemba, going pretty heavy in the "offensive" direction for the time being. Thompson would be more useful as a third big in Dallas and would also be expiring.

OKC would clean up their salary rolls some and find a home for Horford, plus likely pick up some 2nds along the way.

I know this board would hate it but your rotation would be Luka, Kemba, DFS, Maxi, KP with Brunson, Thompson as key reserves and maybe Green, Melli joining the rotation. They would be operating under the cap so would have a room exception as well.

(03-31-2021, 03:52 AM)Branduil Wrote: Starting to think Holmes makes far more sense for the Mavs to pursue than the pipe dream of Collins. He could absolutely pick up where Powell left off last year, while being a better rebounder and center.

(03-31-2021, 04:45 AM)F Gump Wrote: Powell's money is smack dab in the way of that idea. If Powell was erased, that feels like a possible avenue they might pursue.

Although there's also the issue of how much a Holmes contract would be, what competition would offer how much, and whether he wanted the role that Dallas would offer. You're certainly not envisioning paying him max money, so pursuing him with what you have to offer could actually be more pipe-dreamy in reality than offering Collins a max.

(03-31-2021, 01:13 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I want to bring this up again because I think this is an excellent observation and a great reading of the tea leaves. It's obvious the Mavs want another playmaker next to Luka. OKC is for sure going to send Al somewhere and BOS loved him. They're desperate and are praying for a competent big guy. The Kemba+Smart pairing hasn't turned out to work at all and add in Kemba's health issues I can see BOS cutting him loose quick.

Mavs also had BIG interest in Kemba in the past, so it'd make sense they'd play 3rd team and take him off BOS hands. Kemba also fits incredibly well next to Luka and could be that secondary playmaker we're all pining for. 

This hypothetical makes too much sense to the point I'd even brand it as a likely event to happen this summer.

(03-31-2021, 03:52 AM)Branduil Wrote: Starting to think Holmes makes far more sense for the Mavs to pursue than the pipe dream of Collins. He could absolutely pick up where Powell left off last year, while being a better rebounder and center.

(03-31-2021, 07:14 AM)juanc Wrote: But the best way to go is to look at 2023 free agency. After the draft the Mavs would have all the picks to trade(high possibility), worse case scenario with KP would be that he opts in and becomes a 36mil expiring contract. Also Powell expires after the 22/23 season. If the Mavs sign THJ and others for 2 years, they will have capspace in 2023. Why that year? There are many great free agents in 2023( https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2023/  ) - Jokic, Beal, Embiid, Brogdon, Turner, Wood, Capella, Grant, Butler,... That's the time to build a real contender IMO.

(03-31-2021, 08:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: They said that about this coming free agency.  Then everybody extended and it went to crap.  There is no reason to limit the years on contracts getting signed.  Contracts can generally be dumped fairly easily (especially if they are expiring) unless they are terrible.  

I just hope they learned their lesson from a couple years ago and collude with the agents better before free agency officially starts.  If they can land a Lowery or Conley in free agency, then they should be ready to pull the trigger immediately and do what they can to retain one of THJ/JRich.  If not, they need to do everything they can to get those guys on semi reasonable contracts.

(03-31-2021, 08:48 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Kemba is toast.    His bad knee has zapped his explosion off the dribble, and now opponents can get up in his face and contest his shot without fear that he'll blow by them.   Now he's reached that point that old small guards get to where theyre just net liabilities at everything.   IMHO, Boston is stuck with him.

(03-31-2021, 07:14 AM)juanc Wrote: Jokic, Beal, Embiid, Brogdon, Turner, Wood, Capella, Grant, Butler,... That's the time to build a real contender IMO.

(03-30-2021, 10:24 PM)F Gump Wrote: It's exactly the opposite from what you are thinking. Lakers will have THT's Early Bird rights. Plus RFA control. Plus protection from the Arenas provision. It's literally impossible to sign him away unless you pay him such a ridiculous amount that they won't match.

However, I really don't see the reason for all the fawning over THT in the first place. He had some good moments early in the season and got people's attention. But he's not a special shooter, or rebounder, or scorer, or big for his position (he's a 6-4 SG), nor does he start or play a lot (18 mpg). He's just a DFS type, more or less.

Is he considered special here because he's on another team, or it's the Lakers who he plays for? If he was languishing on the market, I can see why you'd want to take a shot, but that's not what we're looking at. To me it makes no sense.

(03-31-2021, 05:27 AM)Mapka Wrote: I can't see how this works moneywise. Kemba is over 30 Mio - whom will we send out?

And it is against rule No.1.

(03-31-2021, 09:25 AM)Kammrath Wrote: RE: Richaun Holmes

If/when the John Collins door is closed for the Mavs, I think I am all in on Richaun Holmes as the next target.

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