(12-20-2020, 04:01 AM)Branduil Wrote: What if the price was Johnson+Brunson+DFS for Gordon? That's 3 bench players for one starter, and you can move Powell back to the bench. The Mavs would have to pick up a backup PG somewhere, though.

(12-20-2020, 05:48 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: The only issue is, Gordon is undoubtedly going to cost more than that. ORL turned down an offer from the Blazers that included 2 first rounders and Ariza.

Johnson is similarly an expiring contract like Ariza, whose best days are behind him, but DFS isn't worth 2 first rounders so additional compensation is most certainly needed. How much? Well ORL turned down 2 firsts, so I assume that's the starting point. 

So I circle back and ask, is Gordon actually worth a slew of picks and 2 of our better perimeter defenders (and one that is a pretty good shooter now)? 

I like Gordon and his fit could be fantastic here, but I'm not convinced at all that he alone is worth it for us to blow the rest of our assets of the early decade. He would be a great target in free agency, not for an overpay in a trade.

I think now the Giannis dream is over, the Mavs should focus on former/current all-stars on bloated contracts on bad teams. Guys who could be had relatively cheap. I think Blake Griffin is a prime candidate for such a trade, and shouldn't cost much in terms of draft capital nor young players.

Given that Brunson's free agency is rapidly approaching, and that the Mavs essentially have no rights on him, I think he's going to be our best trade bait. I think Detroit who's looking to get younger might be tempted to create a package built around Griffin+Rose for Brunson+THJ+Johnson+1st. 

Mavs get a potential 6MOY candidate with Rose who can lead the offense on the bench, and hopefully a revitalized Griffin that when healthy, is an All-NBA all-star forward who has shown great versatility around other bigs. Losing THJ would sting, but in this world, DFS would slide over to the 3, while Richardson to the 2, and Blake plays the 4 and KP at the 5. In that case the Mavs still maintain their defense with THJ/Griffin being a push on defense. 

Detroit frees up their multi-big problem and let the Grant era (funny typing that out) begin. They get another young PG prospect who has shown much more than Delon Wright in their respective careers. Detroit also 

Just an idea I was playing around with.

(12-20-2020, 05:48 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: The only issue is, Gordon is undoubtedly going to cost more than that. ORL turned down an offer from the Blazers that included 2 first rounders and Ariza.

Johnson is similarly an expiring contract like Ariza, whose best days are behind him, but DFS isn't worth 2 first rounders so additional compensation is most certainly needed. How much? Well ORL turned down 2 firsts, so I assume that's the starting point.

(12-20-2020, 06:06 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Cause Orlando is crazy. They have Vucevic, Isaac, Bamba, Aminu, Gordon and the 16th pick from last year, but they think they can demand a ransom for Gordon. I guess they can try now, but in six months he´ll become an expiring contract, Isaac is making $27M a year and Bamba will probably ask for playing time or a trade. Gordon is not such a hot commodity that teams can´t simply wait for that moment, when his trade value will plummet.

(12-20-2020, 05:59 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: Really don't think the 1st is necessary, given that they clear 40M in cap next year AND open up minutes for their young pieces (Sejou/Bey/Stewart), maybe a coulple of 2nds will do. The one thing I'd argue is our cap for next season to retain J-Rich.

(12-20-2020, 06:32 PM)SamStetz Wrote: I’ve seen it mentioned a few times...Why is it that Brunson won’t be a restricted free agent or the Mavs won’t have a lot of control over his free agency in terms of rights?

(12-20-2020, 06:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Even after the Isaac extension, ORL's payroll is going to be relatively light. Fournier is expiring this year so that's 17 mil. coming off the books. Fultz is probably not going to cost them anything more than a QO type deal and then that's it. The next year Gordon and Aminu are expiring etc. 

(12-20-2020, 06:32 PM)SamStetz Wrote: I’ve seen it mentioned a few times...Why is it that Brunson won’t be a restricted free agent or the Mavs won’t have a lot of control over his free agency in terms of rights?

(12-20-2020, 07:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Since Brunson was a 2nd round pick, he doesn't follow the rookie scale rules that first round picks follow.

First round picks whose final year option was picked up, is automatically a restricted free agent at the end of their rookie deal. 2nd round picks, since they don't follow rookie scale rules, can be treated essentially after they are drafted as "rookie free agents". They can be signed with cap space, MLE provision, or on a minimum deal, 2-way's, etc.

In order for 2nd round picks to qualify as restricted, they have to enter free agency having been a veteran for 3 or fewer seasons. Since Brunson signed a 4 year deal, this means he cannot qualify as a RFA and will enter unrestricted FA at the end of his deal. Brunsons contract is unguaranteed for the final year, but I'm pretty sure if the Mavs waive that, they also waive his rights.

(12-20-2020, 07:30 PM)SamStetz Wrote: Thank you!! I figured it was something along the lines of the difference in draft rounds. Dallas would have Brunson’s full bird rights as a result of him being signed for 3+ years at the conclusion of his forth year though, right?

(12-20-2020, 07:50 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'm a bit confused by your wording at the end there. If you're asking if at the conclusion of Brunson's current contract they would have his Bird Rights, that is true. As long as they keep his cap hold and retaining his rights, the Mavs can offer Brunson a max contract worth 168 million over 5 years. Similar to KP's contract they signed him to last year. Though the Mavs would have Brunson's bird rights regardless of his FA status (UFA vs. RFA) given that a team gets bird rights on a player after having that player for at least 3 seasons and that they don't trade him.

(12-20-2020, 08:32 PM)omahen Wrote: Here is a list of 2021 free agents left that I would consider as starters on Mavs next year. I am excluding 30+ oldtimers like Lowry and Conley. List in no particular order.

UFA: OPJ, Oladipo, Schroeder, Fournier (6th man), Oubre
RFA: Isaac, Kennard, Collins, Anunoby, White, Hart, Trent, Robinson

(12-20-2020, 09:04 PM)Tyler Wrote: For all of the discussion about free agents next summer, there's a decent chance two of the best players available are already on the Dallas roster.

(12-20-2020, 09:28 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Is it worth giving some kind of outrageous offer sheet to Collins or Anunoby?  (On that note, isn't Issac out the entire season?  I dont see how he gets a ridiculous offer from anyone missing the entire season.)

(12-20-2020, 10:10 PM)omahen Wrote: If Collins gets to FA without being traded, it is to be expected Atlanta will match anything. Isaac is by far biggest talent Orlando has. I am quite sure they would match anything below max, perhaps even max. Trade is the only option to get those two.

(12-20-2020, 10:54 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: Are we limited to the 2021 offseason??? Can't we keep the powder dry and see how 2022 offseason looks like. 

Then again, the first game hasn't even started. We don't know if our own team can exceed the expectations and decide to resign or repeat what we did this offseason for 2021 and look to sign big for 2022.