(03-28-2021, 09:27 PM)cow Wrote: The  Mavs need to start playing moneyball.

(03-28-2021, 09:42 PM)DrMav Wrote: Why would Conley sign a short term deal with us? If he’s going to sign a deal like that, it would certainly be with a team that appears more poised to be an immediate contender, even if for less money. If the Jazz win it all this year (no chance IMO) maybe then he chases as much money as he can get.

(03-28-2021, 10:54 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 100% with you on this.

(03-28-2021, 09:34 PM)loki Wrote: I'm not entirely opposed to Derozan. He's not my first choice though as he isn't the shooter or playmaker that Lowry is. I'm not convinced by his defense either.

(03-29-2021, 09:09 AM)Time Machine Dirk Wrote: Okay, I have a question: What in the world is moneyball? Aren't we talking about basketball here? Money can't ball, only people can. Am I right?

(03-29-2021, 09:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Signing Curry was the one moneyball-type success move they have made recently and they already wasted it on J Rich. They were outsmarted by Morey who understood that starting 33-yr old Danny Green and long-time bench player Seth Curry was actually going to make them better and here we are.

(03-29-2021, 09:15 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: lol.

If you are genuinely wondering, moneyball is a method of building a professional baseball team that was pioneered by Oakland A's GM Billy Beane. Basically the entire method relies on finding the cheapest undervalued players that can get on base. 

The result was that the A's fielded a competitive roster that managed to go to several straight postseasons, but did so on nearly 50% less salary than similarly performing teams. Unfortunately, the A's never won it all and lost several heartbreakers.

(03-29-2021, 10:23 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: Thanks man, I actually thought it was entirely something else

(03-29-2021, 12:25 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2938672-small-market-nba-teams-concerned-about-buyouts-helping-the-rich-get-richer

(03-28-2021, 10:52 PM)Branduil Wrote: I don't understand why people keep suggesting Derozan. He can't shoot so he can't play with Luka off-ball, it's a non-starter.

(03-29-2021, 09:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Remind me how many championships the A's won with moneyball?

(03-29-2021, 01:22 PM)cow Wrote: It's more about taking analytics they are gathering (Haralabos Voulgaris) and then creating targets to chase in free agency rather than spin their tires chasing big names.  I think you could recruit the names I listed fairly easily, at least compared to the big names we've typically chased in the pass.  And while the A's never won a championship, baseball isn't basketball and I'm not sure I'd put anyone on those A's teams at the level of comparative talent to Luka.  Further, we've all long debated fit next to Luka.  Some people want to go after a big three and others (myself included) want a team of RoCo/Morris/Tucker level players around him.  Moneyball would let you accomplish the latter.  Against the moneyball idea would be the depth of talent in the sports.

(03-28-2021, 09:27 PM)cow Wrote: Here would be my shopping list:  THT, Holmes, and one of Howard/McGee.  I also wouldn't mind looking at TJ McConnell.  That gives you youth and some flexibility to trade the likes of DFS and Brunson should need the arise.  Those are names that I think we could have some success recruiting.

(03-29-2021, 02:02 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I know this board doesn't like guys over 30 and I get it but I think in Moneyball-ish terms these guys get undervalued because rebuilding teams don't want them but many of these guys are still productive and you can usually get them on short deals. Remember too that expiring contracts have value. If for example Powell had been an expiring contract, Andre Drummond would likely be on the Mavs not the Lakers right now. Take that for what it's worth.

(03-29-2021, 02:18 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Is TJ UFA? Seems like he is. I love his game.

(03-28-2021, 10:34 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Why is Conley even a suggestion? After he switched teams, it took him a mulligan year to get on track with that new team. There are guys like that in the NBA. I believe JRich to be one of them, only, we're going through the mulligan year with JRich now. After Conley's mulligan year he'll be 36 and we'll be wanting to trade him after that year as well!

(03-29-2021, 02:24 PM)cow Wrote: I don't think most of us hate guys over 30, it's a balance though.  Part of the reason Lowry didn't get moved at the TDL, if rumors are to be believed, is that he wanted a 2YR 25m per extension for one last big pay day.  He'd be 36 and 37 in those years.  Those types of deals are okay if you are that piece away and gong for it (Conley to Utah or CP3 to Phoenix) but we aren't there yet.  On the flip side, this past season if had you offered Dwight Howard 2YR at 3-4M per, he'd have probably accepted and you'd have an every game contributor.  I think your want to try to invest your big money right now, if at all possible, into someone that can play with Luka/KP for at least 4 years.  And I do think because we aren't a destination location, we are going to have to pay a little better than the competition to get deals done.  Again, that's a fine line.

(03-29-2021, 02:24 PM)cow Wrote:

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