(03-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Brunson should be off limits on any rental. The fish lowry rumors seem ridiculous(par for the course for fish)

(03-20-2021, 08:54 AM)Hypermav Wrote: Josh Green, Josh Richardson and James Johnson for Lowry

I would do that so fast.

(03-20-2021, 08:54 AM)Hypermav Wrote: https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/03/20/nba-trade-rumors-shake-deadline-celtics/3/

Josh Green, Josh Richardson and James Johnson for Lowry

I would do that so fast.

(03-20-2021, 10:36 AM)omahen Wrote: I think Lowry provides way more than his stats. He makes us legit. If you get Lowry that is a clear sign you want to contend. Same as Phoenix did with Paul. Lowry is extremely respected around the league and he might help bring good vets for that MLE or less. He brings toughness and vet leadership. 

If Mavs want to contend, picks and non playing rookies are worthless imho. I would basically like to keep our core 7 and add Lowry with DFS being the main minutes loser. Johnson and Powell would form the salary match with Powell being shipped somewhere else if needed.

(03-20-2021, 10:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Most would.  We aren't really giving up anything of great value here.  Unfortunately, any Philly deal involving Thybulle is probably better than this (unless Toronto wants to send him out of conference).

I'm all for Lowry, but there are a couple of warts here.  1. His game has slipped a bit.  Still a mile better than JRich.  2. It is a short term solution.  Yeah, he helps you this season and maybe next.  Beyond that?  And, what kind of deal does he get this summer?  Multi-year?  Large one year deal with a team option for a second?  It kicks the can down the road and creates a hole later.  I will say that a 25/27 pick combo will be more valuable two years from now than they are today.  But, it won't be easy to create a salary match for some big future deal with KP, Lowry and Luka all making big money.

(03-20-2021, 01:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: RE: Folks wanting 35 year old Lowry

(03-20-2021, 01:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: RE: Folks wanting 35 year old Lowry

(03-20-2021, 02:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Kamm you always want these sub-30 guys but look they aren't always available. A good player is a good player. You aren't signing Lowry to a 9 year contract so don't worry about it.

(03-20-2021, 02:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I can't speak for Kamm, but MY thinking is that:

A) The Mavs aren't winning this year or next. 

B) That's about the window of expected positive contribution for Lowry.

C) At the end of that window, such a deal would result in the team being exactly where it is now, only without the benefit of whichever assets were given up to acquire Lowry. For example, if Brunson is outgoing, I think it's really likely that he'll be a better player in two years than Lowry is in two years. 

It just seems like a "win now" move that shouldn't be made for a team that clearly isn't close enough to make such a move. Building for the future seems so much more logical to me from the team's current point on their journey. It's nothing against Lowry, the player, whatsoever.

(03-20-2021, 02:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I can't speak for Kamm, but MY thinking is that:

A) The Mavs aren't winning this year or next. 

B) That's about the window of expected positive contribution for Lowry.

C) At the end of that window, such a deal would result in the team being exactly where it is now, only without the benefit of whichever assets were given up to acquire Lowry. For example, if Brunson is outgoing, I think it's really likely that he'll be a better player in two years than Lowry is in two years. 

It just seems like a "win now" move that shouldn't be made for a team that clearly isn't close enough to make such a move. Building for the future seems so much more logical to me from the team's current point on their journey. It's nothing against Lowry, the player, whatsoever.

(03-20-2021, 02:51 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am not advocating giving up assets for Lowry outside of a 2nd round pick and expiring contracts.

(03-20-2021, 02:51 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am not advocating giving up assets for Lowry outside of a 2nd round pick and expiring contracts. He is high on my list for guys to look at this offseason.

(03-20-2021, 02:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, it's definitely a MORE attractive proposition if you're not giving up anything of value to get him, I'll grant you that. 

However, whose minutes does he take, and would we be sorry someone younger didn't get those minutes in 2-3 years, when it's actually time to be good? I strongly suggest that yes, we would be sorry.