(03-17-2021, 04:31 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think this is the case. They have actually clearly said they will not let him walk for nothing in free agency. 

Imho, the path to Collins is a SnT in the summer. Atlanta will demand a kings ransom at TDL because they want to make the playoffs. But as you said, they are not really willing to pay him max contract (but still they don't want to let him walk for nothing). So perhaps their asking price in the summer will be lower. Good thing is Collins needs to play along in the SnT - so his agent could make a difference here. Everything could actually be agreed at this point. Dallas saying we will offer Collins near max, Collins saying he likes Dallas only which decreases Atlanta negotiating power and Atlanta saying "ok we will let him walk for XXX price" - their only alternative is to match the offer.

(03-17-2021, 07:32 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: NYK has their sights set much higher. They want Dipo or some other bigger name. They are finally a decent basketball team. They aren't going to settle for Dwight Powell.

(03-17-2021, 07:40 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I agree that Atlanta wants to be paid for Collins.  No way he walks for nothing even if they have to match a big offer and trade him later.

I agree that Atlanta wants to make the playoffs and needs to replace Collins if traded at the TDL without hurting their chances.  But, there are big advantages to Dallas getting Collins now and using his relatively small cap hold to do other things this summer.  Dallas has a history of this (trading for Noel before he became RFA and trying to do it with Kemba in order to have his Bird rights).  They have Schwartz as the agent here to help smooth the way.  He or his firm were involved in both the Noel and Walker deals.

Atlanta doesn't have to have a PF back.  Lineups with Hunter at PF have been quite good and you still have Gallo and Solomon Hill who can take minutes.  Moving Hunter to PF frees up more time at the 2/3 for Bogdanovic, Huerter and Reddish backed by Snell.  They are a little weak at backup PG and C right now.  Point is, if the other compensation is satisfactory, I think you can make a deal for Collins now and Atlanta can still contend for the playoffs.  The benefit would be certainty for both teams.  As we saw with Parsons, there are ways to design RFA offers that make it unappealing for the current team to match...especially if their intent is to match and later trade.

(03-17-2021, 07:45 AM)omahen Wrote: I agree with all of this. But I also think a gentleman agreement between the three parties (Atlanta, Dallas and Collins) could be beneficial for everyone involved. 

Problem with dealing now - which good players at PG and C would you give to Atlanta to move the needle? Brunson and WCS are basically best we can do. Unless we include a third team.

(03-17-2021, 07:48 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Stupid question and not a route I am endorsing, but lets say for argument we let Hardaway and Richardson go in FA.   And used our cap room to sign Lowry and Derozan.   Would we still have the MLE for someone like Holmes (SAC)?

Is Lowry and Derozan an upgrade from Hardaway and Richardson?  Lowry, despite being older, is just a dog.   Maybe his play will slip, but having two of Lowry, Brunson and Luka on the floor all the time really keeps two playmakers always on the floor.  Derozan has a chip on his shoulder and wants a championship bad.   He is also someone who can create off the dribble.   

Luka Brunson Burke/Terry
Lowry Brunson Green
Derozan DFS
Holmes Maxi
KP  Holmes

Solid 8 man rotation.   You have areas for our young players to grow into and could also use minimums to fill deep bench.

(03-17-2021, 07:48 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Stupid question and not a route I am endorsing, but lets say for argument we let Hardaway and Richardson go in FA.   And used our cap room to sign Lowry and Derozan.   Would we still have the MLE for someone like Holmes (SAC)?

Is Lowry and Derozan an upgrade from Hardaway and Richardson?  Lowry, despite being older, is just a dog.   Maybe his play will slip, but having two of Lowry, Brunson and Luka on the floor all the time really keeps two playmakers always on the floor.  Derozan has a chip on his shoulder and wants a championship bad.   He is also someone who can create off the dribble.   

Luka Brunson Burke/Terry
Lowry Brunson Green
Derozan DFS
Holmes Maxi
KP  Holmes

Solid 8 man rotation.   You have areas for our young players to grow into and could also use minimums to fill deep bench.

(03-17-2021, 10:16 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: The Fisher article detailed how Gordon was almost traded before his high ankle sprain to the TWolves for Rubio and draft capital.    That would indicate...

a)  The Magic do value a potential floor general point guard. 

b)   They're not asking for some crazy king's ransom for Gordon.  The TWolves don't have a lot of draft capital to throw around.  They owe the Warriors a 1st round pick .. either this year's 2021 Top 3 protected or 2022 unprotected.    Rubio this year has been ... not good  ... and is due $18 million next year.    So I don't know where people are getting this idea  that Gordon costs 2-3 first round picks.

(03-17-2021, 11:19 AM)LukTheShadow Wrote: “Unless it’s a game-changer star, I don’t see us doing anything at all,” owner Mark Cuban

(03-17-2021, 04:31 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think this is the case. They have actually clearly said they will not let him walk for nothing in free agency. 

Imho, the path to Collins is a SnT in the summer. Atlanta will demand a kings ransom at TDL because they want to make the playoffs. But as you said, they are not really willing to pay him max contract (but still they don't want to let him walk for nothing). So perhaps their asking price in the summer will be lower. Good thing is Collins needs to play along in the SnT - so his agent could make a difference here. Everything could actually be agreed at this point. Dallas saying we will offer Collins near max, Collins saying he likes Dallas only which decreases Atlanta negotiating power and Atlanta saying "ok we will let him walk for XXX price" - their only alternative is to match the offer.

(03-17-2021, 11:19 AM)LukTheShadow Wrote: https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/03/17/how-the-new-nba-playoff-format-might-hurt-mavs-chances-of-making-a-trade-before-the-deadline/

“Unless it’s a game-changer star, I don’t see us doing anything at all,” owner Mark Cuban said this week on the Mavs Step Back podcast.

(03-17-2021, 10:16 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: So I don't know where people are getting this idea  that Gordon costs 2-3 first round picks.

(03-17-2021, 05:00 AM)F Gump Wrote: Three notes about the above
1 The Mavs have no choice looming with Brunson. He has another year (2021-22) on his deal. There is no option.
2 If JRich opts in, that 11.6M is all he gets in 2021-22. Maybe that's enough. Maybe it's not.
3 If you sign and trade for a player using cap room (also known as an under-cap trade), or if you simply sign a player using your cap room, the amount of salary you can offer is exactly the same either way. Cap charges for empty roster slots cause that, and work identically in both instances.

(03-17-2021, 01:26 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1372226649413054472

(03-17-2021, 02:03 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 Brunson has no option and CANNOT be made a Mavs' RFA this summer. While his salary for 2021-22 is indeed non-guaranteed, that is not the same as an option. To remove the 2021-22 year salary, he would have to be waived, which means (a) all rights and ties are lost, (b) some other team could claim him off waivers, and undoubtedly would, and © if no one claimed him, he would be a UFA with no "prior team."