(03-16-2021, 08:26 PM)cow Wrote: The TDL will be telling.  We have so many expiring contracts, you'd think we'd be able to do something productive.  

If THJ and JRich are here past the TDL, I'm fine moving on from them as they are both the epitome of inconsistent.  If they are determined to keep one, I'd go with THJ and try to do a shorter term contract even if you have to overpay in that scenario.  That assumes they run out every other ground ball.

(03-16-2021, 09:57 PM)mvossman Wrote: Not sure why we would move on from either of them?  I seriously doubt we will get anything in free agency that would be better than THJ + JRich + MLE.  I feel like we would be better off staying over the cap and re-sign both as well as sign someone to MLE.  Some of this may depend on what we do at the deadline, but it's hard to see a situation where we would want to operate under the cap (and even less likely if we trade JJ for a longer term contract).

(03-16-2021, 09:26 PM)Jommybone Wrote: Ok, I wasn’t being literal. But I can do literal:

I can’t believe how many on this board think the fellas who are having the third and fourth biggest, positive impact on our success—and who appear to be our third and fourth best players—and who appear to be improving more rapidly than anybody else on the team—are less valuable than a lotto pick bust who isn’t the third and probably isn’t even the fourth best player on a truly awful team in Orlando.

(03-16-2021, 10:14 PM)cow Wrote: They aren't winning players.   Keeping them is just spinning your tires in the mud.  I also hate the mindset of "you aren't getting anything better".  Sometimes you need to take a step backward to make a leap forward.  And if you want something better than JRich/THJ, throw money at DeRozan.  He has his share of warts too, but at least you can count on him game in and game out.  

This team isn't close to competing for a title.  We should be looking at ways to regain assets, no matter how small.  If only we had a ton of expiring contracts that would help us accomplish that.  Oh wait.

(03-16-2021, 11:12 PM)mvossman Wrote: So the plan would be to dump THJ, JRich and the MLE to go after DeRozan?  I think I'm getting plan powder PTSD.  Even if you land him (and history has not been kind) I don't think you are a better team.  He has very questionable fit with Luka and most of our depth would be gone.  Plus you have fewer potential future tradeable assets.  Given that we are going to be over the cap when Luka's 30% hits, I think we would be better off asset wise with a moderately over paid THJ and/or Jrich than nothing at all.

As for accumulating assets with our expirings, do you have some example possibilities?

(03-16-2021, 10:41 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Interesting.  While Bleacher Report has Powell as the "centerpiece" of a deal for Gordon, ESPN (Bobby Marks) has Dallas possibly paying NY to take him into their cap space:

(03-16-2021, 11:30 PM)Tyler Wrote: now for a guy like Gordon while also exploring opportunities to clear space to make an offer to Collins this summer.

(03-17-2021, 12:01 AM)SamStetz Wrote: I’m curious to know, what would dumping Powell to NY do for Dallas cap wise this summer, assuming they want to resign THJ and Richardson? I mean, ideally you have an agreement with THJ that you’ll resign him for less than his cap hold so you can renounce that to free up a few extra million, and decline WCS option, does that get us in the ballpark for an offer sheet to Collins? Couldn’t Dallas just wait til the summer to offload Powell then if needed?

(03-17-2021, 12:01 AM)SamStetz Wrote: I’m curious to know, what would dumping Powell to NY do for Dallas cap wise this summer, assuming they want to resign THJ and Richardson? I mean, ideally you have an agreement with THJ that you’ll resign him for less than his cap hold so you can renounce that to free up a few extra million, and decline WCS option, does that get us in the ballpark for an offer sheet to Collins? Couldn’t Dallas just wait til the summer to offload Powell then if needed?

(03-17-2021, 12:58 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Bottom line is trading Powell allows you to keep one of THJ or JRich and still get a max offer out there.  Will Green be ready for some rotation role by then?  One of the advantages of dealing Powell now is you might be able to do a deal for Collins using 25 and 27 now and retain the flexibility to keep both JRich and THJ (or replace one using space before signing Collins).

(03-17-2021, 03:15 AM)cow Wrote: team is happy to have him walk

(03-17-2021, 12:58 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Easiest way to think of it is to clear the slate (wipe away THJ, JRich and WCS) with Powell presumably gone in a trade.  It gives you almost $41.9mm in space.  Then add people back...

Add WCS and you are at $38.7mm (remember you don't add the full $4.1mm since there was a cap hold for a minimum slot already there).

Add JRich at his PO and you are at $28.03mm or $65k from a max for Collins.  Remember you can extend JRich with up to a 20% raise off that number if you wish.

If you give up protection on the 2023 pick you can now trade the 2025 pick.  Doing a S&T for a FA using space and a pick requires less space than signing one outright.

If they decide to make Brunson RFA this summer instead of UFA next summer, it gives him a cap hold that is $1,359,000 higher than his 2021 salary.  That gives you $26.7 to sign someone like Collins or $27.6 if you do a Sign and Trade.

None of this contemplates keeping THJ.  You could substitute him in for JRich or JRich and WCS.  If you do the latter and keep Brunson at his RFA number, you can start THJ at $13.4 and still have room for a full max offer for Collins...more if you don't make Brunson a RFA.

Bottom line is trading Powell allows you to keep one of THJ or JRich and still get a max offer out there.  Will Green be ready for some rotation role by then?  One of the advantages of dealing Powell now is you might be able to do a deal for Collins using 25 and 27 now and retain the flexibility to keep both JRich and THJ (or replace one using space before signing Collins).

(03-17-2021, 05:00 AM)F Gump Wrote: 1 The Mavs have no choice looming with Brunson. He has another year (2021-22) on his deal. There is no option.

(03-17-2021, 01:50 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Knicks are at $95 million. Salary floor is $109 million. So they could add Powell and send out nothing 

NYK: Powell, pick protection removal, 2nd rd pick

DAL: Gordon and Fournier 

ORL: Johnson, Burke, Green, Terry, 2025 FRP and a 2nd rd pick

Orlando would save a significant amount of money(and they need to). They only get one 1st, but they get a few guards which they need

Luka/JRich/Fournier/Gordon/KP
JB/THj/DFS/Maxi/WCS

Have the room to keep everyone. Who’s starting could be fluid based on matchups and who’s hot

(03-17-2021, 05:00 AM)F Gump Wrote: Three notes about the above
1 The Mavs have no choice looming with Brunson. He has another year (2021-22) on his deal. There is no option.
2 If JRich opts in, that 11.6M is all he gets in 2021-22. Maybe that's enough. Maybe it's not.
3 If you sign and trade for a player using cap room (also known as an under-cap trade), or if you simply sign a player using your cap room, the amount of salary you can offer is exactly the same either way. Cap charges for empty roster slots cause that, and work identically in both instances.

Also, once the Mavs make the mental commitment to lose either THJ or JRich in favor of a max offer to Collins, doesn't that player then become quite expendable in a trade for Collins right now? And doesn't adding such outgoing salary and talent to the mix change the whole landscape on what they might be willing and able to do in other directions?