(03-10-2021, 11:24 AM)Mapka Wrote: So we give away the best player in the trade, a recent first round pick, 2 2round picks, an expiring and an ok contract for two players like we already have two, hope on Wiseman and the privilege to take on the single worst contract in the NBA ?

No thanks, like I don´t like trading KP at all - but if, we should at least not be paying for it.

(03-10-2021, 11:53 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://old.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/m1h58u/mark_doesnt_see_mavs_making_any_trades_unless_its/

Not sure if this was posted yet but straight from the horses mouth

(03-10-2021, 12:07 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Mavs give up the player with the higest ceiling. Lonzo has been way better than KP this season.
Richardson can defend like Lonzo. THJ can shoot like Lonzo. But they cannot do both. 14/4/5 39% from 3 on 8 3PA. Not to mention that Lonzo is a way better playmaker.
The initial proposal was KP for Wiseman, Wiggins and the Wolves pick. In this case the Mavs use the Wolves pick and two additional 2nds to add Ball.
A player like RoCo was traded for two 1sts in the summer and he isn´t as good as Lonzo. A high lottery pick and two 2nds is probably not enough but he will be a RFA in the summer and the Pelicans probably don´t want to overpay or lose him for nothing.

Hart for Green looks like a fair deal as well. Mavs would need to pay Hart if they want to keep him. He is a league average 3&D/hustle wing. Very likely that Green will have a similar role in the future but right now he is clearly worse.

I am not even sure if KPs value is high enough to get the Min pick but that has been the part where most of us disagree since the KP trade talks started.
Some view him as a negative assets (similar to Wiggins). Injury-prone player that isn´t worth a max deal. Others view him as a max level player that hasn´t even reached his prime.

(03-10-2021, 12:34 PM)Mapka Wrote: Don´t get me wrong, I like Ball - if we had the Minny pick lying around I would think about using it on him.

I don´t like to trade with GSW - Wiseman is payed what Powell gets and is offering even less and I just don´t see the ceiling on him being worth any risk. Who will he become? He has no skills, not the timing or feel for the game.
His legs make Noel look like Hulk . Yes he is fluid and quick and whatever - I believe, when he uses it.

And Wiggins is bad enough to take at least the Minny Pick and then some.

KP is a mystery box - but if he is on at any play-offs with Luka ... oh shiny ring.

(03-10-2021, 11:45 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Who are they going to get? Give me a name?
 
I don't have a specific name, but I'll say they can get more for a 23 year old player with a 20+ PER than a 25 year old loaded up with a max contract and a list of medical red flags a mile long and who cant stay healty for longer than 2 months at a time who seems to have plateaued on offensive development and regressed in defensive development.

(03-10-2021, 11:53 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://old.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/m1h58u/mark_doesnt_see_mavs_making_any_trades_unless_its/

Not sure if this was posted yet but straight from the horses mouth

(03-10-2021, 12:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Remember that Wiseman is not even 20 years old and only played in one college game before be was banned. Agree that he has no feel for the game right now but he is really skilled for a bigman. Soft touch around the rim, trademark turnaround jumper and even solid percentages from 3 (low volume).

(03-10-2021, 02:04 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Another thing on Lonzo if ya'll like him so much is he not a candidate to overpay in RFA next offseason? It seems like there would be a number you can get him at to make the Pels let him walk or you do a S&T situation (using the overpay as leverage) to give them a small asset in return. It would be similar to the situation with Brogdan a couple years ago.

I am not in love with Lonzo per se, altho i do like him and considering what's available in FA if you could get him for some combo of like an overpay + like Green or something I would be interested. It might be better than overpaying Rich and/or THJ.

(03-10-2021, 02:14 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I agree I see Lonzo as more of a potential signing in RFA, moreso than the Mavs swapping out existing talent to do so.   I do like Lonzo a lot, because I see him as the realized version of what people projected Halliburton to be.  A guard who complements Luka very well.   Plays defense at an extremely high level, shoots 3s and contributes to total team offensive ball movement without requiring that the ball goes through him.   Like if Josh Richardson was 4 years younger,  could actually shoot 3s at 38%, could distribute the ball at a high level and was steadily improving all his offensive metrics every year instead of stagnating/getting worse.

(03-10-2021, 07:51 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: When a big three needs to be made, that player is one you are confident they will deliver

(03-10-2021, 02:00 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Right and there's a reason why he was picked 2nd overall in the draft over all these other guys. In a league that is obsessed with playmaking guards and wings he was taken 2nd over all. People act like that's not a big deal. He must have a lot of talent to be taken that high.

(03-10-2021, 03:05 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: What number was Darko Milicic picked at?

(03-10-2021, 03:11 PM)Mapka Wrote: Thabeet might be a better comp

Wiseman is a Lotto-ticket out of an aweful draft. He might be whatever you hope for. But chances are 50-50 at best, that he is a starter level player.

(03-10-2021, 03:28 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: I’d do a straight up KP for Ingram swap

KP fits better with Zion. Ingram fits better with Luka

(03-10-2021, 03:27 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I mean we are like 40 games into the season. We are saying Wiseman is a bust already? Give me a break. You are acting like he's a spare and this guy was just taken 2nd over all not that long ago. I like Wiseman's upside a lot!

(03-10-2021, 03:28 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: I’d do a straight up KP for Ingram swap

KP fits better with Zion. Ingram fits better with Luka