(03-07-2021, 04:39 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: Sometimes it's better to do nothing, than do the stupidity. And most of these trade ideas are stupidity. From trading KP for a bunch of role players, to a trading for a old injury prone player on a max contract.

(03-07-2021, 04:39 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: PG: Luka - Brunson - Burke. 

Do we need anything more? 
Luka is franchise player, Brunson si having great year, so we need to have his contract extension in head too before ''making'' longterm trade ideas which can destroy our cap space for few years later. Burke as a 3 option is also great option. On a good contract, fantastic as a 3 option.

SG: Hardaway - Green.

It could better? It could be. Do we have assest to improve that? No. 
Hardaway is improving from day 1, have a desire for play for Mavs and it's great fit for this team. His resigning must be one of the priorities this summer. With Brunson and Burke also playing on his position there is no need for trading or. signing in free agency players like Hield or Furnier. As a 4 or 5 option there is also Green for which i hope he will get some minutes to show what he can do. Better to play him than a Iwundu or similar signings in free agency.

SF: Richardson - Finney - Smith.

That's a little bit difficult. For now Richardson it's the biggest disappointing of this season. But, beacuse of Covid & bad beginning of the season for the whole team i would give him more games to show what he can do. For DFS there is nothing to add. His contract extension we need to have in head like Brunson's.

PF: Porzingis - Kleber - Bey

For most of them i talked in a preview posts. Still think that Porzingis is 2 or a 3 star, but this season everything goes slowly, but i think his performances will only improve. Kleber look at the DFS & Brunson. Rest of minutes i hope goes to Bey.

C: Powell - WCS - Boban.

This position it's the biggest weakness of this team. It was last season and it's this season. Every game against physical team we are killed. From Utah, Philadelphia, Denver, Indiana, Lakers... 
The problem is beacuse all of 3 players are bench players. Boban is good for atmposphere, WCS is solid looking through the contract and Powell is disaster looking through the contract. Buyout player. 

(03-07-2021, 04:39 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: This must be priorite in a trade or free agency. Turner would be perfect here alongside KP. 

I didn't write about Johnson & Iwundu beacuse i don't see them in this team, but alongside Powell should be our trade assets.

(03-07-2021, 04:39 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: So what we should do?

- Give a rookies a chance instead of bench players like Iwundu.

- Better to search for a undrafted players like DFS or Kleber instead of trading for old injury prone players. 

- Avoid max players & players who will be here just beacuse of money (Collins, Oladipo). 

- Look at 10 - 20 (cca) mil. range of players instead of max.

- Resign players which want to be in Dallas (THJ) and build team around them (with Brunson, DFS & others). 

- Add pieces which are missing (Turner) instead of trading just to trade (Hield, Furnier).

•  Iwundu only played in 5/14 games in february and march. 23 minutes in total. Mavs desperately needed wins and played a 7-8 man rotation. No rookies, no deep bench guys. The rookies played in the g-league.
  
• Of course. But it is not easy. Guys like Maxi or DFS aren´t easy to find. Otherwise all teams would have at least 3-4 undrafted rotation players.
  
• Mavs shouldn´t overpay but they cannot influence the market price.
  
• Only an option if the Mavs actually have capspace (if you want to keep THJ and trade Johnson that´s not going to happen)
  
• Agree. But it can also backfire. Best example. Powells contract.
  
• Again. How? Turners trade value is probably at an all time high. If you aren´t willing to trade KP (or at least Brunson and all remaining picks) that´s not going to happen. We are discussing names like Hield, Fournier, Love or Bagley because they might be available (according to the latest trade rumors).
  

(03-07-2021, 05:31 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Fair to disagree with some of the proposed trades but at least acknowledge that most of them aren´t about the things that you point out. Love was discussed as an option to add picks, prospects or additional rotation players. The oncourt value he might have is not the main piece of the trade. Whatever the Mavs could get in addition because they absorbed his contract is.

Same for any KP trade. We don´t know how other teams/GMs think of him and his contract but trading him to get assets that could be used in a trade or to create more capspace is a legit option.




Not really sure what to make of this. Starting with the positions of certain players. KP not being listed as the starting center. Luka could potentially play any position from 1-4 on defense. Richardson is more of a SG than both THJ and Green. In most matchups he defends the opposing PG.
Not really sure why the Mavs should be worried about DFS or Brunsons contract. With Luka´s max extension they won´t have any capspace anyway. More about the luxury tax line but if Cuban isn´t willing to pay for a potential contender the Mavs are screwed anyway. With bird rights the Mavs can match any contract offer for DFS or Brunson. If they want to stay in Dallas money shouldn´t be the problem.




You already mentioned the lack of assets. Not sure how the Mavs add Turner without any. Powell and Iwundu have negative value. Johnson is expiring. Mavs have three more weeks to turn him into something more useful. Don´t expect a miracle. If the Mavs trade Johnson for a longer contract they won´t have capspace in the summer but that´s probably the best way to get anything useful in return.
Other posters are mentioning trades for players like KLove for a reason. That´s the kind of trade a team should do if it wants to add future assets.

•  Iwundu only played in 5/14 games in february and march. 23 minutes in total. Mavs desperately needed wins and played a 7-8 man rotation. No rookies, no deep bench guys. The rookies played in the g-league.
  
• Of course. But it is not easy. Guys like Maxi or DFS aren´t easy to find. Otherwise all teams would have at least 3-4 undrafted rotation players.
  
• Mavs shouldn´t overpay but they cannot influence the market price.
  
• Only an option if the Mavs actually have capspace (if you want to keep THJ and trade Johnson that´s not going to happen)
  
• Agree. But it can also backfire. Best example. Powells contract.
  
• Again. How? Turners trade value is probably at an all time high. If you aren´t willing to trade KP (or at least Brunson and all remaining picks) that´s not going to happen. We are discussing names like Hield, Fournier, Love or Bagley because they might be available (according to the latest trade rumors).
  

(03-07-2021, 05:31 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Love was discussed as an option to add picks, prospects or additional rotation players.

(03-07-2021, 07:29 AM)omahen Wrote: I totally agree with everything you wrote. 

My opinion about Love discussion - Cleveland is not in an asset giving away business, they are in asset gathering business. Absolutely no way they would pay anything to get rid of Love. They would expect something. I guess his situation is sort of like Griffin. Can't prove he is worth anywhere near his contract which runs for two more seasons after this one.

(03-07-2021, 07:29 AM)omahen Wrote: I totally agree with everything you wrote. 

My opinion about Love discussion - Cleveland is not in an asset giving away business, they are in asset gathering business. Absolutely no way they would pay anything to get rid of Love. They would expect something. I guess his situation is sort of like Griffin. Can't prove he is worth anywhere near his contract which runs for two more seasons after this one.

(03-06-2021, 09:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If the Mavericks trade for Kevin Love I am going to lose my mind. 

I can’t even deal with the idea that we are seriously discussing it.

I hate basketball.

(03-06-2021, 06:12 PM)chaparral Wrote: Would we still be moving KP?  I like the GS idea for KP better then the Atl trade if we are doing this Love thing.

(03-07-2021, 10:12 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Slightly different topic: Will Richardsons opt in? Based on his performance so far he cannot expect a big payday and this is most likely going to be his last big contract. If he bets on himself he has the chance to improve his value next season.

(03-07-2021, 08:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Hmmm.  I've got two issues with doing the Love thing on a stand-alone basis.  1. I don't like the defensive fit with KP.  2.  If we retain THJ and JRich, we will be pretty tight to the tax and probably won't use the full MLE (then the next season we'd be WAY into the tax).

I don't think Cleveland is going to pay to trade you Love.  Maybe it is THJ/Powell as the Cleveland writer indicated.  Maybe they add a second (Cleveland has a ton of seconds in 22, though I'm not sure another project really moves the needle for Dallas).  I would probably try to swap Iwundu for Windler who might have more value some day as a bench specialist...but I digress.

To your point, what if the Love deal fixes some of the issues with a GS deal for Wiseman.  If you just trade for Wiseman, you are probably taking a step backwards today but betting on his upside.  Love can replace all of what KP does offensively (and is similarly a health risk), but you would be simultaneously developing a potential star who would pair up with Love quite well.  Forget all the other moving parts...would you do KP/Powell for Wiseman/Love?  I would, but I see Wiseman turning into something special.

The three team construct makes dealing with GS easier.  You can do something based on Johnson/Powell going out (with KP) and Oubre coming back with Wiseman/Love.  Or, you can follow along with what the Cleveland writer said and send out THJ instead of Johnson while bringing back Wiggins instead of Oubre.  The latter saves GS a ton of LT and might get you some additional draft compensation.  Wiggins and Love are both FA's the summer of 23.  The extension for Wiseman kicks in in 24.  If you do the Wiggins version it is:

Wiseman/WCS (or MLE)
Love/Maxi
Wiggins/DFS
JRich/Brunson
Luka/Brunson

If you do the Oubre version, simply move DFS back to starting SF and THJ to bench 3/2 as he is currently

Wiseman/WCS (or MLE)
Love/Maxi
DFS/THJ
JRich/THJ
Luka/Brunson

(03-07-2021, 08:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Hmmm.  I've got two issues with doing the Love thing on a stand-alone basis.  1. I don't like the defensive fit with KP.  2.  If we retain THJ and JRich, we will be pretty tight to the tax and probably won't use the full MLE (then the next season we'd be WAY into the tax).

I don't think Cleveland is going to pay to trade you Love.  Maybe it is THJ/Powell as the Cleveland writer indicated.  Maybe they add a second (Cleveland has a ton of seconds in 22, though I'm not sure another project really moves the needle for Dallas).  I would probably try to swap Iwundu for Windler who might have more value some day as a bench specialist...but I digress.

To your point, what if the Love deal fixes some of the issues with a GS deal for Wiseman.  If you just trade for Wiseman, you are probably taking a step backwards today but betting on his upside.  Love can replace all of what KP does offensively (and is similarly a health risk), but you would be simultaneously developing a potential star who would pair up with Love quite well.  Forget all the other moving parts...would you do KP/Powell for Wiseman/Love?  I would, but I see Wiseman turning into something special.

The three team construct makes dealing with GS easier.  You can do something based on Johnson/Powell going out (with KP) and Oubre coming back with Wiseman/Love.  Or, you can follow along with what the Cleveland writer said and send out THJ instead of Johnson while bringing back Wiggins instead of Oubre.  The latter saves GS a ton of LT and might get you some additional draft compensation.  Wiggins and Love are both FA's the summer of 23.  The extension for Wiseman kicks in in 24.  If you do the Wiggins version it is:

Wiseman/WCS (or MLE)
Love/Maxi
Wiggins/DFS
JRich/Brunson
Luka/Brunson

If you do the Oubre version, simply move DFS back to starting SF and THJ to bench 3/2 as he is currently

Wiseman/WCS (or MLE)
Love/Maxi
DFS/THJ
JRich/THJ
Luka/Brunson

(03-07-2021, 08:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Hmmm.  I've got two issues with doing the Love thing on a stand-alone basis.  1. I don't like the defensive fit with KP.  2.  If we retain THJ and JRich, we will be pretty tight to the tax and probably won't use the full MLE (then the next season we'd be WAY into the tax).

I don't think Cleveland is going to pay to trade you Love.  Maybe it is THJ/Powell as the Cleveland writer indicated.  Maybe they add a second (Cleveland has a ton of seconds in 22, though I'm not sure another project really moves the needle for Dallas).  I would probably try to swap Iwundu for Windler who might have more value some day as a bench specialist...but I digress.

To your point, what if the Love deal fixes some of the issues with a GS deal for Wiseman.  If you just trade for Wiseman, you are probably taking a step backwards today but betting on his upside.  Love can replace all of what KP does offensively (and is similarly a health risk), but you would be simultaneously developing a potential star who would pair up with Love quite well.  Forget all the other moving parts...would you do KP/Powell for Wiseman/Love?  I would, but I see Wiseman turning into something special.

The three team construct makes dealing with GS easier.  You can do something based on Johnson/Powell going out (with KP) and Oubre coming back with Wiseman/Love.  Or, you can follow along with what the Cleveland writer said and send out THJ instead of Johnson while bringing back Wiggins instead of Oubre.  The latter saves GS a ton of LT and might get you some additional draft compensation.  Wiggins and Love are both FA's the summer of 23.  The extension for Wiseman kicks in in 24.  If you do the Wiggins version it is:

Wiseman/WCS (or MLE)
Love/Maxi
Wiggins/DFS
JRich/Brunson
Luka/Brunson

If you do the Oubre version, simply move DFS back to starting SF and THJ to bench 3/2 as he is currently

Wiseman/WCS (or MLE)
Love/Maxi
DFS/THJ
JRich/THJ
Luka/Brunson

(03-07-2021, 03:21 PM)omahen Wrote: Haliburton