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RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Mapka - 03-04-2021
(03-04-2021, 04:49 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I'm not sure where you're coming from. I'm not sure how else to explain what I said, so I'll leave it at what I've already said.
Or you could just name a player, you would like to add, just to give me clue?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - DanSchwartzgan - 03-04-2021
(03-04-2021, 12:11 PM)Tyler Wrote: That just means we have to generate our own.
If Chicago wants Drummond and Cleveland is prioritizing Jarrett Allen, I'd be happy for Dallas to be the 3rd team to somehow get in on WCJ. Either as the starter next to KP or the primary backup over WCS and Powell, I think he's a buy-low candidate who could be coached up into a good fit.
As always, the next question is at what cost? Of course, all TDL discussions are under a bit of a cloud right now. Are we making deals to add to a roster that includes KP? Or doesn’t?
I like WCJr. As has been stated before, Chicago needs to dump some salary to give LaVine a raise and then extend him (and have major cap room for other priorities). So, getting rid of the partial guarantees on Sato and Young in exchange for Drummond might be attractive. I’d propose
Drummond to Chicago
Johnson, Richardson and any Rookie to Cleveland
WCJr., Sato and Young to Dallas
You dump non-guaranteed WCS in favor of Carter Jr. Sato replaces JRich and Young is a rotation PF. You give up flexibility in the summer, but not sure who we plan to get with that room anyway.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 03-04-2021
Man I'd love to get in on OPJ and WCJ if they are getting sold off for cheap.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 03-04-2021
Hey remember that time we gave Harry Barnes away for nothing and everybody was like damn he's overpaid!
Ya he's like in a bunch of trade rumors and will probably get the Kings some assets. Great job Donnie.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SleepingHero - 03-04-2021
(03-04-2021, 10:08 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Hey remember that time we gave Harry Barnes away for nothing and everybody was like damn he's overpaid!
Ya he's like in a bunch of trade rumors and will probably get the Kings some assets. Great job Donnie.
Barnes was a below average player on a below average team playing in a way that made him unattractive to most contenders at the time (I.E. Poor defense, constant mid range shots).
Barnes is largely doing the same in Sac town. Only difference is now he's actually playing like a 3rd option. I'd be shocked if any real contender traded for him.
By the way, I totally agree that the Mavs didn't get the most value from a Barnes trade. They could've easily gotten at least a protected 1st or 2nd rounder from someone for him. But I think what we're all missing is that the Mavs essentially traded all of the starting members from that 2018 Mavs team that had a supposed problem with Luka and did so in less than a week apart. Remember that freeze out where they refused to give Luka the ball?
I think the Mavs wanted Barnes out of the locker room sooner than later because it was all about Luka and his growth. Hard to fault them there.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - ItsGoTime - 03-05-2021
(03-04-2021, 10:59 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think the Mavs wanted Barnes out of the locker room sooner than later because it was all about Luka and his growth. Hard to fault them there.I mean, is history repeating itself with KP? If that is the case, what are we doing with Luka to figure out how to make this history not be the future?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SleepingHero - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 01:03 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I mean, is history repeating itself with KP? If that is the case, what are we doing with Luka to figure out how to make this history not be the future?
I think this is more of a coaching issue rather than a Luka issue.
Only reason why I say that is because Luka rarely makes a bad basketball choice. If he isn't passing to KP, it's not because he's choosing an objectively worse option. It's normally a money kick out to a wide open shooter (who often misses, which is the only merit as to why looking for KP more makes sense).
It's up to the coaches to put KP in those positions where Luka likes to pass to.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - HanspardShowerVoice - 03-05-2021
(03-04-2021, 10:08 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Hey remember that time we gave Harry Barnes away for nothing and everybody was like damn he's overpaid!
Ya he's like in a bunch of trade rumors and will probably get the Kings some assets. Great job Donnie.
And all it cost the Kings were were a few more seasons of never going to the playoffs by featuring a overpaid bad player and letting Bogdanoic walk away because they couldn't pay for another wing. What a huge score for them.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SamStetz - 03-05-2021
I hope Blake signs with the Nets (or another eastern conference team, would hate to see him help the Warriors keep us from a top 6 seed) but also because, if Drummond gets bought out, would that make Brooklyn less enticing to him and potentially steer him toward Dallas? Him and Porzingis are reportedly friends if I remember correctly.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - JamesConway - 03-05-2021
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1367898577616334854?s=21
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 12:44 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: And all it cost the Kings were were a few more seasons of never going to the playoffs by featuring a overpaid bad player and letting Bogdanoic walk away because they couldn't pay for another wing. What a huge score for them.
Nobody forced them to let Bog walk for nothing. That's basically their version of the Harry Barnes giveaway. They could and should have kept Bog, then traded him later.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 12:53 PM)SamStetz Wrote: I hope Blake signs with the Nets (or another eastern conference team, would hate to see him help the Warriors keep us from a top 6 seed) but also because, if Drummond gets bought out, would that make Brooklyn less enticing to him and potentially steer him toward Dallas? Him and Porzingis are reportedly friends if I remember correctly.
That's a good point. I think we do want to root for Blake to go there and Drummond to wind up here with his bud KP. There's still a lot of noise around him getting traded though so we will see what happens with that.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - ClutchDirk - 03-05-2021
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2934701-kings-trade-rumors-marvin-bagley-iii-receiving-minimal-interest-amid-struggles
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - omahen - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 02:15 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2934701-kings-trade-rumors-marvin-bagley-iii-receiving-minimal-interest-amid-struggles
I guess the asking price is high. If they would be satisfied with WCS and a couple of second rounders I would gladly give it a shot
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SleepingHero - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 02:18 PM)omahen Wrote: I guess the asking price is high. If they would be satisfied with WCS and a couple of second rounders I would gladly give it a shot
I still have a lot of Bagley stock. I think he can be a good player in the right role. Put it this way, Bagley would be perfect in the Powell role right now. If all it took was WCS and some 2nds I'd make that trade so quick my phone would be smoking.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 03:51 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I still have a lot of Bagley stock. I think he can be a good player in the right role. Put it this way, Bagley would be perfect in the Powell role right now. If all it took was WCS and some 2nds I'd make that trade so quick my phone would be smoking.
I'd love him as a reclamation project but I wouldn't give much.
Off the table: Brunson, DFS, Maxi, FRP, Bey
On the table: Green, Terry, SRPs
(03-04-2021, 05:54 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: As always, the next question is at what cost? Of course, all TDL discussions are under a bit of a cloud right now. Are we making deals to add to a roster that includes KP? Or doesn’t?
I like WCJr. As has been stated before, Chicago needs to dump some salary to give LaVine a raise and then extend him (and have major cap room for other priorities). So, getting rid of the partial guarantees on Sato and Young in exchange for Drummond might be attractive. I’d propose
Drummond to Chicago
Johnson, Richardson and any Rookie to Cleveland
WCJr., Sato and Young to Dallas
You dump non-guaranteed WCS in favor of Carter Jr. Sato replaces JRich and Young is a rotation PF. You give up flexibility in the summer, but not sure who we plan to get with that room anyway.
Wasn't it rumored that WCJr was the pick had Dallas stayed put in the draft?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - ItsGoTime - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 04:34 PM)cow Wrote: Wasn't it rumored that WCJr was the pick had Dallas stayed put in the draft?Yes, that’s what I remember. I think they were putting Bamba out there as a misdirect.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 03-05-2021
(03-04-2021, 10:08 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Hey remember that time we gave Harry Barnes away for nothing and everybody was like damn he's overpaid!
Yes. Everyone still thinks that.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - ItsGoTime - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 05:47 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Yes. Everyone still thinks that.Vlade is a part of “everybody”, right? Don’t think he thought so.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 03-05-2021
(03-05-2021, 05:47 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Yes. Everyone still thinks that.
Just wait until he gets traded. It's going to give SAC more than Justin Jackson.