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RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 04:54 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: That Philly defense is suffocating. I am not worried ab that. Mavs play them what like twice a year?
I'm not talking about Philly's defense. They hunted for Jalen switches and matchups on the offensive end to take advantage of him. Teams with size are going to do that to us. Teams with quickness will do the same to Luka. Good teams will figure a way to exploit the pairing is my point.
Offensively Jalen and Luka are fine.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - KillerLeft - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 04:57 PM)cow Wrote: I'm not talking about Philly's defense. They hunted for Jalen switches and matchups on the offensive end to take advantage of him. Teams with size are going to do that to us. Teams with quickness will do the same to Luka. Good teams will figure a way to exploit the pairing is my point.
Every lineup has a weakness, defensively. If Brunson can be a good defender for his size I'm ok with giving this a shot, tbh. The offensive benefits are significant.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 04:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Every lineup has a weakness, defensively. If Brunson can be a good defender for his size I'm ok with giving this a shot, tbh. The offensive benefits are significant.
I think he deserves a shot, his play has certainly earned him the opportunity. Long term, when this team is looking for deep playoff runs, that's probably not the answer.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - KillerLeft - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 05:01 PM)cow Wrote: I think he deserves a shot, his play has certainly earned him the opportunity. Long term, when this team is looking for deep playoff runs, that's probably not the answer.
I mean, maybe not, but lots of small players are on great teams.
Why does this standard apply to Brunson to you, but not to Seth Curry, for example?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - HanspardShowerVoice - 03-01-2021
I mean, do people actually think Fred VanVleet is a lockdown defensive presence or that Masai Ujiri is a basketball idiot for giving him 4/85?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 05:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I mean, maybe not, but lots of small players are on great teams.
Why does this standard apply to Brunson to you, but not to Seth Curry, for example?
Look at who Seth plays alongside. It's not about just about Jalen. It's about the pairing with he and Luka. If my wings are big, I'm going to post Jalen up. If my guards are quick, I'm going to exploit Luka. Compound that with our lack of interior defense.
edit: I wish we had a lake of interior defense. haha
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - KillerLeft - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 05:05 PM)cow Wrote: Compound that with our lake of interior defense.
Well, I certainly agree with this, but if this doesn't get fixed it's all a pointless endeavor anyway.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 04:57 PM)cow Wrote: I'm not talking about Philly's defense. They hunted for Jalen switches and matchups on the offensive end to take advantage of him. Teams with size are going to do that to us. Teams with quickness will do the same to Luka. Good teams will figure a way to exploit the pairing is my point.
Offensively Jalen and Luka are fine.
Right I still like them together. I think Jalen as a 6th man and potential closer makes sense. He can get killed on defense sometimes so Rich has to balance the pros and cons of leaving him out there. In my opinion when the buckets are harder to come by in the 4th Brunson has really shined.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 05:07 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Right I still like them together. I think Jalen as a 6th man and potential closer makes sense. He can get killed on defense sometimes so Rich has to balance the pros and cons of leaving him out there. In my opinion when the buckets are harder to come by in the 4th Brunson has really shined.
Don't get me wrong. I've been trying to ship Jalen out since he got here but I've been seriously impressed with him. He has limitations though and so does Luka. I'm fine with it in the short term and like I said, he's played his way into that opportunity. I just know how I'd attack that pairing.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - TXBamanut - 03-01-2021
Ya'll, I'm not trading KP for a "he might one day become" player. If that's all that is out there, then I'm holding onto him and trying to increase his trade value until I can get a better player.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - DanSchwartzgan - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 03:46 PM)Kammrath Wrote: If the Mavs think Wiseman (50.4 percentile as pick and roll man, 1.11 PPP) can become an elite roll man then I am ALL IN on acquiring him. I think a defensively versatile big man who can be elite in the pick and roll with Luka is what you want as your 2nd pillar on this team. Hence why I wanted the Mavs to go all in on Gobert this summer.
I do, but his game is broader than that...
He's in the 81st percentile in screen assists
He's in the 97th percentile in slip impact
He's in the 84th percentile in Paint touches per 75 Possessions
He's in the 90th percentile in Post Assists per Post Possessions
He's in the 94th percentile in Movement Points per 75 Possessions
He's in the 96th percentile in Movement Speed Rating
He's in the 87th percentile in Off Screen EFG%
And he rebounds and hits 3's (small sample size alert). And all of that is at age 19. I think he might make it in this league.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Kammrath - 03-01-2021
The reason I want a pick and roll man for Luka as the 2nd pillar for this team is that I think you want the 2nd best player on this team to get his stats and impact inflated by Luka "doing his thing." For whatever reason, Luka doing his thing does not inflate KP's stats and impact, so you are left with having to "take turns" which is a horrible outcome for the team IMO.
P.S. I will never understand why in the hell Luka+KP has not been run over and over and over and over until they figure it out. I always thought THAT was going to be the bread and butter of this team and instead it is a weird after thought. Why?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - KillerLeft - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 05:33 PM)Kammrath Wrote: P.S. I will never understand why in the hell Luka+KP has not been run over and over and over and over until they figure it out. I always thought THAT was going to be the bread and butter of this team and instead it is a weird after thought. Why?
Whatever the reason, I suspect it's directly tied to the nebulous behind the scenes issue we've been puzzling over all season. Just a suspicion, though.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 05:33 PM)Kammrath Wrote: The reason I want a pick and roll man for Luka as the 2nd pillar for this team is that I think you want the 2nd best player on this team to get his stats and impact inflated by Luka "doing his thing." For whatever reason, Luka doing his thing does not inflate KP's stats and impact, so you are left with having to "take turns" which is a horrible outcome for the team IMO.
P.S. I will never understand why in the hell Luka+KP has not been run over and over and over and over until they figure it out. I always thought THAT was going to be the bread and butter of this team and instead it is a weird after thought. Why?
Finally me and Kamm agree on something. The take turns approach is not great. I was very encouraged last game where KP was immediately posting up in the paint against the Nets small-ball lineup which created a lot of good opportunities on offense. That obviously isn't going to happen very game.
I also thought the Luka/KP PnR was going to be a staple of this offense. What happens usually is teams will just switch though and then KP drifts back behind the 3 point line while Luka does his thing. So it kind of works but then Luka looks a lot more comfortable when he has a roll man. When Luka is running with an effective roll man he looks unstoppable.
Sometimes KP does roll and gets an easy basket but not nearly enough. My hope is that as soon as the team switches the smaller player on KP he immediately runs into the paint like he did last game so that teams are discouraged from switching altogether.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - dirkfansince1998 - 03-01-2021
I know it will never happen but if the Mavs plan to go over the cap or even over the luxury line we should at least talk about Powells future. Give him the rest of the season and see if he can stilll contribute. If that´s not the case I really don´t want to waste a roster spot. Also don´t want to attach any assets to get rid of him. My prefered solution. Just waive him. If the Mavs are over the cap any way a few million won´t make a big difference and with Doncics contract capspace isn´t an option anyway. Might as well try to find a better 3rd string big for the vet min or guarantee on of the rookie deals (T.Bey).
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Jason Terry - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 05:33 PM)Kammrath Wrote: The reason I want a pick and roll man for Luka as the 2nd pillar for this team is that I think you want the 2nd best player on this team to get his stats and impact inflated by Luka "doing his thing." For whatever reason, Luka doing his thing does not inflate KP's stats and impact, so you are left with having to "take turns" which is a horrible outcome for the team IMO.Ding ding ding. We should be dominating teams with the pick and roll and pick and pop combo from them. There’s very little two man game between them when there’s so many ways they could exploit almost every team in the league with it. Why? And why keep them if they both need to get “theirs” yet can’t do it together like every championship pair before them does
P.S. I will never understand why in the hell Luka+KP has not been run over and over and over and over until they figure it out. I always thought THAT was going to be the bread and butter of this team and instead it is a weird after thought. Why?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Omega_Supreme - 03-01-2021
I don't think Luka has a lot of Trust in KP at the very least organically the chemistry is not there. Some of it is on KP as well as he is more of a iso scorer. KP needs the ball in space so that he can utilize his skills.
That is why I think he is better suited in Golden St. offense.
-If I was coaching KP I would run plays for him and treat him like a 7-3 Reggie Miller where he gets open off back screens and ball screens. He needs to play with a team like Golden St.
Luka needs shooters and big men that can finish around the rim or another combo guard like Kemba Walker.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 03-01-2021
I dont think I've ever seen KP set a real screen. I would hope someone in our coaching staff you could teach him that one basic move. The pick and pop would work a lot better.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 03-01-2021
Great auditions for JB to the Magic and Vuc to the Mavs tonight.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Omega_Supreme - 03-01-2021
(03-01-2021, 09:33 PM)cow Wrote: Great auditions for JB to the Magic and Vuc to the Mavs tonight.
definitely not a fan of trading JB, he is our second best player