(03-01-2021, 12:09 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Two questions for the board:

1) Would you take Gallo as a salary dump if it just took Johnson and some future second round picks?  It would limit the mavs flexibility this offseason.    I haven't really liked what I have seen from Gallo in the few times I have seen him.  Has looked stiff, plus he also has had injuries in the past.    I think if the Hawks plan to re-sign Collins that they may look to just dump Gallo.  As they also have some younger players who can fill in as well.   I was kicking around Gallo this offseason as a FA.  I was happy when he went somewhere else though.  Just curious if you would take on that contract by letting Atlanta get off that contract?

2)  It seems that the board likes John Collins.   Just curious if you would make a trade for him if Atlanta asked for Maxi Kleber as the headliner in return?   Collins is the better player, but Maxi has a good contract and fills a role that teams like.

(03-01-2021, 12:09 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: 2)  It seems that the board likes John Collins.   Just curious if you would make a trade for him if Atlanta asked for Maxi Kleber as the headliner in return?   Collins is the better player, but Maxi has a good contract and fills a role that teams like.

(03-01-2021, 10:08 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Mavs: Wiseman, Markkanen and Wiggins

Bulls: Poole, Terry, Wanamaker plus draft compensation from Warriors 

Why they do it? They know Markkanen wants to leave in RFA. 2 young projects and 2 2nd round picks seems fair for the rights to Markkanen. 

Warriors: KP, Burke, WCS and Iwundu 

Why they do it? KP fits their system. Tax savings would be huge. Plus they get some cheap contracts

(03-01-2021, 12:28 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Just wanted to point out that Markkanen is a no-go for me paired with KP.

(03-01-2021, 12:19 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I agree that there are concerns with fit. The simple versions: 1) Collins isn't as defensive minded as Kleber is, which might not be great next to Porzingis, and 2) KP clearly prefers to be directly involved in the action, setting screens, and while Collins can shoot, I'm not sure he's the spacing, catch and shoot guy that Kleber is. Plus, NOT putting Collins directly in the pick and roll sort of wastes him, too. 

But, worries or no worries, I think you'd have to make the deal. Collins has star potential, imo.

(03-01-2021, 12:38 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't think the Mavs would go that route but like if you get Collins, Gallo for KP and Turner for Maxi + filler then you'd have a pretty good lineup of:

(03-01-2021, 12:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I'm thinking JRich and Maxi might be enough to make Ind bite, IF they're sure Turner isn't their guy. We might have to add a second or 2, but I'd do that deal if we could get Collins or Gordon with KP. I know you don't like Gordon, but I think next to Turner the two could be lethal on offense and defense. We would then have to find someone with JJ and maybe Green to fill in the JRich role (I know that's not enough to get Oladipo, but that would be amazing).

(03-01-2021, 01:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: . A shooter who plays great and versatile defense.

(03-01-2021, 01:17 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Collins would be a good fit with KP on offense and defense.   He is a high level rim runner and has a very nice back to the basket game.

(03-01-2021, 01:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yes, yes. We've been over this a TON around here, and everyone agrees with you, including me. I've been on the Collins train for a long, long time. 

But, how do you reconcile your point above with the numerous KP statements that he needs to be directly involved in the actions. He has made it pretty clear that he's not content to be a floor spacer while Luka directly interacts with another player, like the way Luka/Powell/KP were used early last season. 

Do you simply go against his wishes and have him stand in the corner while you run pick and roll with Collins/Luka? I'm not saying that's the wrong choice, because that Luka/Powell offense was AWESOME, but there's a REASON they're not going back to that play style, and most of us agree that it has something to do with trying to make KP feel important and get touches. I'm not sure blowing that mission up will help the team much if he's still on the roster.

(03-01-2021, 01:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: But, how do you reconcile your point above with the numerous KP statements that he needs to be directly involved in the actions. He has made it pretty clear that he's not content to be a floor spacer while Luka directly interacts with another player, like the way Luka/Powell/KP were used early last season. 

(03-01-2021, 01:35 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I think people take it too far when they say KP ALWAYS wants to be the PnR player, and that if he is ever asked to spot up for a 3 he's going to pout.   No, he'll probably be fine playing with Collins because Collins can play PnR roll AND ALSO shoot 3s as a stretch big.    So now you can mix and match your PnR combos and let's the big dogs take turns eating.

(03-01-2021, 01:41 PM)omahen Wrote: On the other hand, it is never really wrong to have talented players

(03-01-2021, 10:47 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Interesting idea as I look through what others are proposing KP's value is on TradeNBA. Wouldja? This seems like it would be the types of players that Kamm was talking about yesterday in a pecking order type of team building strategy. RoCo and Nurkic are not on Luka's timeline, but they are seasoned vets that can start. I think the value is close. Nurkic has also had a rough go of injuries, not familiar with his injuries though and how they might affect his game going forward.

(03-01-2021, 01:35 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: I reject this idea that we don't need another on ball scorer because we're just going to let Luka dribble the air out of the ball for most of the game while four other guys stand and watch outside the 3 point arc   That's just a very rudimentary and vanilla brand of NBA basketball that will get shut down in the playoffs.

(03-01-2021, 01:51 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: That's why I roll my eyes at the DeRozan types. That's not going to work, imo.

(03-01-2021, 01:51 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Agree with this, too. HOWEVER, the mistake many make is stopping the mental exercise after "sometimes, Luka has the ball, sometimes, the other guy." 

I have no doubt that Luka can learn to contribute off the ball some, and that will probably be great for him long term. But, he'll still have the ball the most, so that other on-ball guy has to ALSO be a shooter. That's why I roll my eyes at the DeRozan types. That's not going to work, imo.